Thread regarding Ford layoffs

EV Foundation Built on Sand

From Ford Authority:

Volumes are tragically small

Volume Ramp is fictitious

EV’s for sale today are rushed to market and customers will be negatively impacted

Mustang Mach-E and Lightning not profitable

Low cost battery technology unproven

Ford (leadership) is causing their own demise.

Back in May, Ford Authority reported that The Blue Oval was considering switching at least some of its EV batteries from lithium-ion to lithium iron-phosphate (LFP). Then, just last week, the automaker announced the details behind its effort to secure the raw materials and battery capacity needed to build 600,000 EVs by the end of 2023, with two million planned for annual global production beginning in 2026. This includes installing LHP batteries in the Ford F-150 Lightning in early 2024, as well as the Ford Mustang Mach-E starting next year, too.

Lithium iron-phosphate batteries present a host of pros and one con when compared to lithium-ion units. LFP batteries don’t use nickel or cobalt in their construction and are generally cheaper, safer, and can be charged to 100 percent without worrying about speeding up battery degradation, though they’re also not as energy dense as lithium-ion batteries and offer less range as a result.

Ford will secure these LFP batteries from Contemporary Amperex Technology Co., Ltd. (CATL), which is currently scouting locations in the U.S. and Mexico for future plants. FoMoCo already utilizes CATL batteries in China in vehicles like the Mach-E, and has long been rumored to consider expanding those offerings to other parts of the world, including the U.S. As for the Mach-E, the once-profitable crossover has taken a bit of a hit amid rising materials costs, and is no longer a money-maker for Ford. Thus, this move will undoubtedly help improve the vehicle’s margins.

According to FoMoCo, the flexible architecture it employs in its EVs will make this integration relatively seamless, which will help it scale production of both models to meet its newly-announced goal of 270,000 units of the Mach-E and 150,000 units of the F-150 Lighting next year.

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They can’t even keep electric busses from bursting into flames. This does not bode well for Ford Pro….nobody will be rushing to electrify their entire fleet. Care to respond to this FARLEY AND PHOEBE FROM THE FREE FORD PRESS?

“Just one day after officials promoted the passage of the Connecticut Clean Air Act, CTtransit, the Connecticut Department of Transportation’s bus service, has pulled its entire fleet of electric buses due to one bursting into flames. The electric vehicles have been replaced with traditional diesel-powered buses.”

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Imagine you have to evacuate your family ahead of a hurricane, somewhere farther than 200 or 300 miles, in an electric vehicle. I say good luck to you.

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Remember when Ford used to cancel vehicles that sold such low volumes? Especially if they didn’t make money, like small sedans? We are working in a 🤡 show.

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Post ID: @atx+1hUIutz0

Ford sold 21,000 Mach E in 2021 and so far this year Ford sold 16,000 Mach E and Lightning. At this rate, both vehicle operations will be bankrupt soon.

Ford loose money for every EV that it makes. Ford quality is so poor that it pays over $3B per year for warranty cost. That is 350% more than Toyota. Every vehicle Ford makes are under recalls every year. Ford engineers don't do any engineering, they hire outside suppliers and purchase service to do the engineering. This is why Ford is laying off 8000 employees.

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Post ID: @hsn+1hUIutz0

"Its flexible architecture" lol. replacing batteries with different ones ok.

Here from wiki:

"Because of its lower cost, high safety, low toxicity, long cycle life and other factors, LFP batteries are finding a number of roles in vehicle use... LFP batteries are cobalt-free. As of Q1 2021, LFP type battery market share reached 24.1%, with Chinese manufacturers holding a near monopoly, and is expected to rise further..."

"Chinese monopoly" is what you need to know.

"Tesla Motors currently uses LFP batteries in certain vehicles, including its Chinese-made Standard Range Models 3 and Y, and some Model 3 units in the United States beginning around August 2021.[38] In October 2021, Tesla announced that all standard-range Models 3 and Y will begin using LFP battery chemistry."

Tesla is doing it, so do we.

"LFP contain neither nickel nor cobalt, both of which are supply-constrained and expensive. As with lithium, human rights and environmental concerns have been raised concerning the use of cobalt. Environmental concerns have also been raised regarding the extraction of nickel."

"Under most conditions it supports more than 3,000 cycles, and under optimal conditions it supports more than 10,000 cycles. NMC batteries support about 1,000 to 2,300 cycles, depending on conditions."

Didn't know it was that few cycles lol. Charge your car a 1000 times and the battery is gone idk...

"LFP cells experience a slower rate of capacity loss (aka greater calendar-life) than lithium-ion battery chemistries"

"One important advantage over other lithium-ion chemistries is thermal and chemical stability, which improves battery safety", "cobalt, with its negative temperature coefficient of resistance that can encourage thermal runaway"

"The energy density (energy/volume) of a new LFP battery is some 14% lower than that of a new LiCoO2 battery", "LFP batteries, have a lower discharge rate than lead-acid or LiCoO2",

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