What is the difference between PIP and DPC? Don't both mean they want you gone? Do people who get slapped with a DPC get pushed out after 3 months like PIPPERS of they don't pass the projects given? Do they only throw a DPC at you when they want to fire you but can't because you are NRE?
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No, DPC stands for Double Penetration Continuously.
"Exhibit A" is the "Leader" that just got convicted for Salting some tater in Montgomery County.
Does DPC stand for Double Penetration Condoned?
If so, then it is applicable and makes sense.
@2ali Another old guy on his soapbox. Yawn….
Didn’t even read past the first sentence. Same $hit, different boomer.
@1mvj+1oNr2XXi, sure, you caught me, my choice of words betrays the truth that I do think of most middle aged millennials working for the company as kids. So let me expand on that. If you are working a real job in a plant or working a real job on campus where you have what it takes to contribute to a real project, you have my respect. But if you are one of the thousands of middle aged employees on campus who have chosen a mediocre career in a bs job, just showing up to meetings on some team doing a endless series of bs studies and taking your safe mediocre pay…well, you chose that for your life Peter Pan.
@1kna+1oNr2XX
@utd+1oNr2XXi
Are you really working for EM? Where on earth do you see all those 50+ people you’re talking about? When I retired last year, in my group of 60 people there were exactly two over 50, including me. The average team member had 5-10 years of experience, and the team leads had 15-16 (early fourties).
Keep blaming the “old guys”, seems it has become a fashionable thing just when the company is getting rid of the very last experienced people. You can’t even tell the difference between over 50 in the management (including the beloved DW) and among the regular workers (all gone or pushed out).
With this kind of thinking, I don’t see you having anything that ressembles a career - unless you’re “high potential”, where being stu_pid, arrogant and aggressive is a prized skill.
@uej Another one of these guys who thinks millennials are still kids.
You’re talking about a group of people in their 30s and early 40s. We used to call that “middle aged”
…..and you’re not propping-up civilization by letting your loser adult children live in your house.
@fqn Who’s doing the discriminating? All the guys over 55 making the major business decisions? Non sequitur.
What’s actually happening is old/middle-aged white collar types are eating their own.
DPC is a precursor to a PIP. If you comply, maybe there won’t be a PIP. If you start questioning the process, it’s a PIP.
It’s also a documented way for the company to take you through a process that has documentation if there is ever a legal case…
Start looking for a job
Any other 55 yo employees out there getting tired of the degrading treatment from from management while simultaneously getting attacked by the very millennial kids we are propping up? I get it. You kids never had the opportunity to learn how to work. Not your fault. You just never had real projects to learn on. Be careful what you ask for. We will be gone soon enough and then the whole world will see what you can bring.
There most certainly is age discrimination going on. The way they've combined the CL groups makes it easy for them to push down higher CL's in the ranking and push up lower CLs. They used to be separated just for that reason. Most high cl people are older. Older folks generally dropped like a rock in the last few rankings (unless you were in a protected group). They are being set up for pips after 55.
@mxe There’s no age discrimination going on. It just looks that away because everyone you work with is old.
When there’s nobody to PIP or DP except guys in their 50s, guys in their 50s are going to get PIP’d and DP’d.
Downsizing consultants designed this approach more than 40 years ago. EM running late as usual.
DPC is typically for this 52-55 who are NRE and they can’t let them go. Anyone else can be put on PIP and pass or fail.
@lht Plenty of people under 55 losing their jobs bro.
The main reasons why you don’t see more “younger” people catching a PIP is because EM doesn’t hire many to begin with, and unlike the over-50 crowd they’re smart enough to bail when the job turns toxic.
I know a coworker in this situation. Pure intimidation. No severance to entice. It’s pure no respect and dehumianizing. But what’s new
Documented Performance Counciling
PIP for those in the safe zone. Nothing happens except painful paperwork and meetings.
It is so you are not surprised with PIP when you turn 55
What is DPC?