What's happening to ESC?
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@ryyo+1aGTl0Jh
Some people are still refusing to see the writing on the wall.
Your job is to support KLTC and then get fired.
Lol there is no budging at this point. People still seem to misunderstand what this is all about.
This is so far above our pay grade it’s happening whether anyone likes it or not. In fact what was communicated is the new ESC roles at site will be to support KLTC work flow to the sites.
Did they budge? Or this still going down for esc?
@gbta+1aGTl0Jh post is taken from EM's forum here: https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aWTvVBX
Right now it just feels like some folks (far removed from actual day to day engineering) are making decisions with no engagement of technical engineers.... Feels like waiting for the axe to fall and I am tired of feeling like a victim with no control over my career.
Uhhh... so what is happening exactly? Still no word from my new Emre group lead etc. I'm so confused.
I hope they read this thread, and realized no one has respect for them as managing administrators. That none of this actually makes sense to ESC or the sites. That they should try harder than just kicking the can down the road, and all this doublethink will reflect poorly on their reputation and the reputation of IOL/Exxon.
the meeting with Naomi got cancelled. Wonder if they need more time to think of new strategy since most ppl said they will quit before they move lol.
There is still time to hit ctrl Z undo on this one. Upper management- please give it some more thought!!! We can all just pretend it never happened.
What’s the process for quitting? I thought by now and with all the attrition that there would be some EM app. Maybe a SharePoint survey I can fill out.
By that logic do you have to ask your leader in Spring when you can and can’t take vacation, sick days, etc? Sounds like a serious lack of leadership and critical thinking across this company.
Yeah I don’t know how HR or legal thought any of this was a good idea or made sense
Maybe I’ll try it and report back here in a few months. Email my foreign boss on their vacation and see how long it takes them to catch up on emails. Wait for them to discuss with my group lead in country C.
I can try and see how long I can evade campus security and keep getting paid because my foreign manager has no clue...what a fu----g joke! Do they even know where Calgary is? Bet you they’ll be like who tf is this guy even?! I’m embarrassed to be an engineer in this company.
Good question, our new department head in EMRE is moving roles lol right after we join... anouncement came out today.
I have a weird question... if I quit in six months under this new org structure who do I submit my notice to? Is it my new group lead in Spring, or maybe one of the new managers in Texas, or Malaysia? Dave is gone right, and Laura isn’t the process tech dept head any more.
If I decide to jump ship to Suncor do we all have to wait for an email from Kuala Lumpur to have me escorted out the door? How does this all work exactly?! Lol
Honestly, given all the leaks and official news releases regarding saving cash on salary arbitrage, the best way for the company to avoid an appearance of conflict of interest with respect to ranking is to region lock rank groups. That way if they want to downsize your region at least it's through a transparent layoff process. And if no further reductions are planned- why take exception to the region lock approach? It would do wonders for building back trust in the technical orgs and remove the us vs. Them thing that is developing out of a sense of "unfairness" being unregulated with a transition to global ranking. APEGA teaches us as engineers to remove even the appearance of conflicts of interest, the company should do the same.
New org chart changes effective June 1st. Moving people to sites over the next 2-3 years, if they don’t lay them off first. This year will be ranked against ESC personnel, but starting next year I believe esc be ranked against Spring, and KL engineers as part of the same org.
Not sure on timeline or official announcements. I think esc into Emre is official already. But the moves might not get an official company wide announcement
When is the official announcement for ESC coming out? Does anyone know the timeline?
It isn’t just IOL. Same thing at the US sites
https://www.thelayoff.com/t/1aO56cXV
Yes exactly. Why would anyone go into technical or want an “esc” role when you’re going to be part of the KL org chart that is rapidly hiring? Who are they going to layoff when they need to meet their 8% quota from Houston every year? You think Exxon cares, values, or even understands your work to give af? Plus you have a global SLS and a global manager? Who tf is going to look out for your interest here? Huge conflict of interest. And then they say esc isn’t actually going away...yea right!
Fu----g bu-----t...gtfo here!!! If you can’t see how we’re all being set up then you deserve the lay off.
Also at site. I feel like this change eliminates any chance of technical progression I had. It's clear who the winners and who the losers will be over the next 5 years. I don't think the odds are in my favor.
They should move the remaining ESC folks to the EMBSCC, so they can feel like third class citizens like the EMIT people do....
The holy grail of IOL technical is gone. What’s the point of staying here if there’s no technical ladder. And to those who advocated there was?... horse sh-t. Go to he-l.
I still don't understand how this change is in line with corporate separateness. IOL has completely lost any semblance of independence.
How big is ESC in IOL?
ESC should have seen the writing on the wall when they moved EMIT overseas. Nothing left......
This is not an organization that innovates or values technology.
However once you off shore and outsource it all, you are in a situation where your people actually benefit from being slow and inefficient and gradually develop a culture separate and apart from your business.
Offshoring is like eating junk food, fills you up cheaply but makes you fat and slow and ki--s you.
we (esc + site technical) should all go on strike, let managers run the show. See how long that lasts.
To be honest, i don't care about my job anymore.
I’m from Sarnia. Been told I could be going to esc for a long time. Not going to happen now. Doesn’t make sense for career or skills to be “esc” at site.
go------t, I've been at site for couple of years and have been led on to believe i will get to go to ESC for next move. Guess that's not happening!
not really anything else to look forward to, guess its time to start looking elsewhere...
FML FML FML
My advice is don’t name drop unless you want this thread deleted by the admins. We all know who you’re referring to, and the majority of us agree that management is seriously disconnected from reality on the ground.
I laugh and roll my eyes anytime management talks about improving site technical competency, and promoting the technical career path 🤦♂️ 😆. Like anyone will want to be technical after this decision. I was warned years ago by the SMEs when I hired in. Technical is always the first to be targeted, ranked poorly, laid-off, blamed, outsourced etc. They marginalize technical, and then talk about site technical competency. As though they have any sort of competency besides setting up meetings, powerpoints, or coordination. They rely on technical fully for all the difficult critical decisions. The ones that actually make money.
They talk about the “grey beards at site” as though those old timers weren’t rogue cowboys who had a clue. It’s a good thing we’re in the oil business because you’d have to be completely clueless not to make money.
Replying to @4vae+1aGTl0Jh
If you get on the call with Naomi ask her on my behalf if the company is now better after laying me off. Since she came to ESC she has been an overhead to IOL. If anyone should have been laid off it should have been her.
During the layoff meeting she was reading from a script infront of her as Brad C does. And the miserable section head was unable to utter a word because I might sue him/her in court. Lol.
When those are your so called “leaders and managers” then you should expect anything and my advice is not to believe anything they say because they are a bunch of liars
The crazy thing is, why is ESC getting cut?
Downstream has been making money vs Upstream. Also, at least the people at ESC can do actual engineering vs PM types in upstream. Lots of senior up streamers have less technical skills than a junior or intermediate downstream site engineer.
If you were gonna make cuts anywhere, cut Upstream! Just shows how upper management is so out of touch with big picture.
@4tfw+1aGTl0Jh Where do those numbers come from? (its not you - just I cant keep track of all the different studies and acronyms these days. Is it a HW3 thing? TMTS thing? Did they announce it previously to shareholders etc). This is bad though because it looks like people are really feeling insecure (myself included) and even though we are told we are right sized there are so many opposing indicators. Not sure what they can do to increase sense of security for people.... maybe eliminate relative ranks and PIP targets? Instead measure people on objective criteria that's relative but relative only to their job function and seniority and see how they are meeting those objective expectations? Its weird because if we are right sized / competitive etc at ESC.... why are we still having 8% NSI and getting merged into a global organization... like are we technically competitive in the Canadian market but going forward not competitive on a salary basis in the global market? What is that setting us up for as Canadian technical contributors? Yea... my head hurts now. I just want to have a good month where I only get to think about technical engineering problems and there are no big organizational changes.
I guess the 200 IOL / 100 ExxonMobil job reductions in december 2020 + the 8% NSI in September/October 2020 workforce reductions were not sufficient. So this month they reduce/outsource 500~ jobs in Canada East and this week announce ESC restructuring... which is still ahead of further U.S. program studies expected by end of year to reduce staff globally further in 'higher' cost countries which if your not paying attention includes Canada.
With 2021 having an additional 8% NSI requirement given that across Canada we have literally bled people in the past 6-8 months just in personnel reductions it shows a management organization that clearly doesn't understand the impacts on the ground nor cares about any type of employee morale of sustained longevity in career.
With sites across the board putting more heavy focus on BTC's if you are a technology person/engineer which used to have the greatest upward momentum in the company and your being 'low costed' you should probably start looking at the market for opportunities. Anyone burning themselves out on a company culture that clearly through actions demonstrates lack of empathy for the employee base shouldn't deserve anymore then your core hours of work. Focus on acquiring new skills and making a transition path out because they are certainly at upper levels already making plans in that area for you.
Advice, drive your path forward on your own terms.
Next call with Naomi, we should ask exactly what value she has brought to Imperial in the last 2 years? Anything?
When sh-t hits the fan, is anyone from site calling her?
I'm also an ESC'er. Love the way management describes the department as phasing out because we're not needed. Thanks. Makes a person feel valued for all the years of hard work and extra unpaid OT, traveling away from family, etc.
Watch 25% of the team resign in the next year
Engineering in the US and Canada will have an annual 5-10% reduction in the next 5 or so years (pip, retirements, limited hiring). It will be a longer process than what is mentioned in earlier posts but will happen. Expect to stabilize to 50-60% of what it is today. Engineering positions from the plants will also be cut. Most of these positions will be off-shored.
ya it is happening. Here in Sarnia everyone is talking about it. Some bi--h in Houston is behind this, apparently she used to work at our site and was a total psycho.
lots of ppl are pi---d!!
holy cr-p is this actually happening? what kind of d-mb fu-k manager made this decision??!
WTF, this company is d-mb as sh-t! With TMTS coming out, it is all fu---d! Its over!