Sorry but you are wrong and we will just leave it at that. See you back at the office.
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@elrz+19TVV3YN Dear, I'm in my early 40s and I simply don't agree with you. I advocate for efficiency and if the technology allows our workforce to be effective and efficient, while providing relief for work life balance then I'm all for it. Don't throw out vague "life experience" as an excuse to latch onto the status quo, which was years behind using technology.
With or without 9/80? 8 hours a day is much easier on the commute but losing the Friday off would off would be a problem for many.
Don't worry folks we will be going back at the start of June and probably a three day week in the office.
Experience at work and life. You will find once you are older that experiences from work situations are transferable to other new experiences. That is how humans operate. Not too long ago you probably figured out what the word hot meant when you touched the hot stove and got burned. You won’t do that again if someone says don’t touch it because it is hot. You will figure it out once you turn 30.
@dlbi+19TVV3YN you're saying that like you've been through a mass industry-wide event that forced companies to have the majority of their workforce WFH.
No? Then what kind of experience are you talking about? This whole thing has been unprecedented. The technology to support WFH is here to stay. Why are you fighting against efficiency instead of trying to improve it. If you have REAL doubts about WFH that hasn't been abated, let's talk about them.
Baby boomers have the experience to know how WFH can be a problem for the organization in the long run.
Not all baby boomers hate working from home, but all personnel that hate WFH are baby boomers
Actually BHP Billiton has been allowing people to WFH past few years. I know a Geomodeller who goes into the office 1-2 days a week. He loves it. OXY should follow, give up all those expensive leases and go to workspace arrangements that rotate people and teams in and out.
The entire country maybe even the work did not plan for this pandemic. Oxy probably had plans for other disasters like earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, and breakout of war.
I love WFH because I can put in more time to work and focus better, but I will accept whatever Oxy decides is best for the company. But even when we are safe again, we should have procedures, technology, and support/training in place for WFH. It took us way too long with so many hurdles to acclimate last year. We aren't a small company, mitigation practices should have already been planned ahead years ago. I feel like we lacked so much foresight and planning for being such a major player in thr industry.
Keep in mind COVID-19 will essentially be eliminated at some point. That time is really what the wfh debate is about. Some people want 100% wfh as a long term option. It is not clear that is the best option in the long run for the health and welfare of corporations. Some companies still care about the health of the company going into the future. These are ones who didn't overextend credit on delusional aspirations and did not eliminate the dividend.
Don't you think the two days a week in the office scenario would be okay? I would even give up the every other Friday off to only go into the office two days a week. But in the end I will do as is required to keep my job. WFH works well for me, but I am not sure it works for everyone. Plus, we already have people going into the office now. To live my life without Covid restrictions I will do just about any schedule.
I’m of the ‘middle age’ generation and I fully support new technology! I mean, why not work more efficiently if we can! WFH has worked out great, too! I get the same amount of work done at home as I did in the office and my job keeps me super busy. But I do know there are some old school OXY lifers in HR leadership that want us back in the office full-time ASAP. Time to clean house and bring in some forward-thinking leadership from outside of OXY!!
Yes, in my opinion, SAP rollout would have been a nightmare without shared screen and recorded training. One on one training would take manager's 5x as long to reach everyone in their team but with Teams, everyone is on the same level as long as they watched the training.
@3emk+19TVV3YN Hello! It sounds like all of those concerns are similar and can be mitigated if Oxy had adapted to WFH sooner. Shared space is actually a great tool for training, but in lieu of that, Teams shared screen is a great training tool as well along with the opportunity to record the training rather than messy note taking. I have mentored a couple of my newer coworkers before who can't seem to find their notes or repeatedly asked the same questions. I think recorded training is a much better tool.
I agree with integrating new hires for some people without face to face contact, but a lot of young folks do it ALL the time! Gen X and Millennials grew up with social media snd online gaming. Making friends online is pretty easy for most of them. I completely understand that this is a hard concept bc older generations haven't experienced the social media and chat room booms, but I assure you it's entirely possible to make meaningful connections without face to face contact first.
Some fears about WFH are:
Projects take longer.
Training is tougher.
Hiring and integrating new employees is more complicated.
Workers could be less connected
Younger professionals will not develop at the same rate as they would in offices, sitting next to colleagues and absorbing how they do their jobs.
@1prw+19TVV3YN what does that have to do with WFH though? Respectfully, older generations do bring wealth of experience and knowledge, but many shun technology. For example, the roll out of SAP p-ss-d of a number of my coworkers who are nearing retirement. I agree with a lot of their complaints but steps in the right direction are sometimes riddled with rolling rocks. Again though, why is WFH so taboo?
Isn't the rant by @2rrx+19TVV3YN considered a micro aggression? I mean it's got to be ageism at the very least. The faculty has spoken, and YOURE CANCELLED!
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!
Who would have ever thought that ww3 would be fought over climate change. This could happen too.
Climate change is a political tool driving us to a China dominated communist world order. Wait and see.
And the comment below shows that old boomers like you are overpaid and are ignorant AF. Wall Street has made it clear how they feel about the ideas of the past that likely align with your belief system. You probably think face to face is required to get stuff done and that climate change is a hoax. Piss off!
This is the problem with most of millennials. They believe that any change equals progress, and that by calling some thing progress automatically makes it progress. However, the main problem with most millennials is that they believe that because they studied economics or business management for one semester in college, they are now more qualified in any business field than someone with 20 to 30 years experience. Here’s the reality. Your college degree simply means that you are capable of learning. When a business hires you, they have to start from the beginning to teach you how to do business in the real world. Here’s your first lesson – just because your professor and all your fraternity or sorority friend say something is true does not make it true.
This is a problem for most boomers. They fear any progress and change from the good ol days. Ingenuity and progress become stifled. They also love domination and a micro manage environment.
OP, going through life with so much resentment and bitterness for others will only be detrimental to your health and make those around you suffer same.
WFH is something the industry should have started adapting in the early 2010s. If technology allows for workers to have better work life balance, why not allow it? Put in stricter regulations for workers to follow in order to catch the lazy ones, but don't stan outdated inefficiencies just because you hate progress. God bless.
This is the most ignorant post that I have seen on this website in a long time. Most people are working their butts off from home doing the job that was previously meant for several people before layoffs and voluntary severances this summer. The world is changing, and remote work/ Microsoft Teams is the future. For any white collar jobs at OXY, remote work is a completely suitable option. This keeps workers safe and also offers flexibility which many of the younger generation values over pay. I work in Land and I can get everything that I get done in the office from home without a 2 hour commute. Not to mention why does it make sense for OXY to pay $30 million a year for dated and rundown Greenway Plaza? Not to mention having to pay the electricity bill for that place, parking, etc. The short answer is, it doesn't.
In my case, it is not true at all. I WFH and although I enjoy it, I would give it up in a heartbeat to put the economy back to where it was. We have friends whose futures are being jeopardized. The younger generation is also getting screwed. I lost my job that I loved last year because of COVID and managed to get one that allowed me to WFH. Don't think like that. The negativity will eat you up and it will be even harder for you to cope mentally.
You betcha - LAPC lol