“People have no idea how bad this is going to be … you can be loyal to American labor, or you can be loyal to the environmental lunatics, but you can’t really be loyal to both,” Trump said. “… Joe is siding with the left-wing crazies who will destroy automobile manufacturing … I side with the workers of America.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/10/04/striking-auto-workers-warn-bidens-green-agenda-going-to-wipe-us-out/
This is any obvious additional solution. H2 no matter what its challenges are, is the only real renewable fuel. No it doesn't have to come from natural gas. The S Koreans perfected a superheat cycle to crack it from sea water. Remember F-kushima? The explosions there were out of control hydrogen formation from superheated run away reactors cooled with sea water. Hang on, don't start spinning just yet. The process can be controlled to make hydrogen safely and has been in practice for years now. If you're a tiny country like S Korea or Japan and don't have big dog influence to get oil, you need another solution. This is theirs. It makes way more sense than EVs.
https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/hyundai-doosan-scale-h2-ice-engines
If you think that the big push for EV, and the massive subsidies to get the manufacturers to go along, is about "being Green" then you've bought into their story-line and aren't seeing the reality of why it's being pushed. If something doesn't make sense, stop trying to make sense of it and reexamine the issue to see what does make sense.
According to VW, in their audit of energy required to create EVs, the total coal and oil consumed to mine, refine, transport and assemble the typical battery pack creates a situation where the typical EV is not carbon (or energy neural) until 70,000 miles of use. Add to that escalating commodity costs and recycling, which uses more energy than is saved, and to borrow from another poster the range makes EV's the second commuter car of choice. That being said, If it takes a customer 7 or 8 years to reach the break even point, the customer will probably not own or lease the car that long. LOL, making this the ultimate delusion - a green car that never is green. Oh and if more power plants get added to the grid to keep up with the charging demand, the price per kW will not go down making the EROI look even worse. As a previous poster said, the only way this makes any sense is if the production numbers fall drastically. So what do you think is the object of this exercise?
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Recycling.
Just a reality check. Copper demand outstrips supply today. That imbalance is expected to grow to 140% by 2030. So riddle me this: how are EV's going to move without copper windings in their motors? la la land thinking is what has caused all this oopsie. Wanting it to be so, without looking into the upstream implications (like it takes 500,000 lbs of refined ores to make a single 1000 lb battery pack for example) does not make it so. These are IEA numbers, check 'em for yourself. Houston - we have a problem. The only plausible outcome to me is, you have an industry that is about to shrink to a quarter of what it is today.
@eja+1oW3LZxn. I will face the BEV truth that is now. They are extremely limited mobility products. A large share of consumers are not interested in putting "effort" in the substandard charging system that exists today in relation to gasoline refueling. While this infrastructure will "exponentially" improve, it will not keep up with the rather arbitrary government mandates for EV adoption. As for lower maintenance and repairs, many Ford owners have spent plenty of time and money repairing faulty electrical components. These electrical components are poorly designed and packaged for cheap replacement. Ford is way behind Tesla in capturing the EV market that exists and has nothing in their over 100 years of history to indicate they can successfully be a player in a luxury market. Lower cost EVs will likely be Chinese makes. There are obviously many people who are quite concerned with Ford's ability to compete in the BEV space, but DFs GTH is always great.
Post ID: @bfq+1oW3LZxn gets some points correct, but a lot wrong. Today's BEV's are great mobility products, and right now. There is no issues with public charging if you actually put some effort into it. Both the will exponentially improve in the coming years and even months. So spare me your negativity and face the BEV truth that is now.
Building vehicles that customers want is what is needed. Ford jumped all in on EV and has a plan that loses billions - nobody in their right mind would shift their business like Ford has done.
EVs in their current form are not usable by many families due to great inconvenience and expense. This is not going to change over the next few years to the point where they are good enough.
Ford will go bankrupt because of this poor planning and will be building cars and trucks that people don’t want nor can afford.
Breitbart, lol, oh boy.
Listen electric cars are coming. Nobody gives a cr-p if you like them or not, they're coming. Yeah charging su-ks right now, but that's going to change. And the range isn't great, but that's going to change too. Automakers have only been at this seriously for about ten years. The technology will get there soon, and they're going to be better than gas cars. They're cheaper to make, quieter, less parts, less maintenance, less to go wrong. Even if you don't care about the environment, it's just a simpler and better car instead of relying on a complicated, hot, noisy gas engine. All this time developing gas engines, they're still only 30 or 40% efficient. Electric is 80% efficient.
You think Ford su-ks now, imagine if they were the only ones not to invest in electric cars while everybody else far surpasses them in the next ten years.
Again, yeah the current electric cars su-k, nobody wants them, they aren't good enough. But pretty soon they're gonna be a lot better than gas cars, and that's why nobody wants to be left behind making the same old junk we've had for the last 100 years.
You can either believe this, or go live in right wing la la land. You'll have plenty of friends, just look at everyone who downvotes this.
Allowing free trade with countries that have significantly cheaper labor is what’s driving this industry and all industry away