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Broken and abused system

Every debate over the H-1B visa program seems to follow the same script. Employers insist they cannot find enough qualified American workers. Industry lobbyists argue the program is essential to attract the world's brightest talent. Critics point to Americans who have been laid off and replaced by H-1B workers. Both sides then call for “reforming” a program they describe as broken.

But much of the public discussion rests on myths that have been repeated for so long they are accepted as fact. The reality is that many of the most common claims about H-1B simply are not true.

Myth No. 1: H-1B Exists to Fill Labor Shortages
Reality: The H-1B program is designed to replace Americans with foreign workers.

Congress made it explicitly legal to replace Americans with H-1B nonimmigrants. A program that legally permits replacing available American workers cannot honestly be described as a labor-shortage program.

There is no shortage or market test of any kind in H-1B. In fact, when Congress created the H-1B program in 1990 it eliminated the labor-shortage requirement that existed under its predecessor.

The largest occupational group receiving H-1B visas is computer occupations. The U.S. imports more H-1B workers in computer occupations than there are jobs created in such occupations.

Myth No. 2: Employers Must Prove No Qualified American Is Available
Reality: No employer is required to prove Americans are not available before importing H-1B nonimmigrants.

The closest requirement is that a handful of employers are required to certify they recruited Americans by checking a box, and this requirement only applies under a combination of circumstances that rarely occur.

Such a requirement would be inconsistent with Congress making it explicitly legal to replace Americans with H-1B nonimmigrants.

Myth No. 3: H-1B Is a Program for the World's Best and Brightest
Reality: If the goal were to recruit exceptional talent from around the world, the program would probably look very different.

Nearly all H-1B workers come from one country: India. Most Indian H-1B workers come from just two states, Telangana and Andhra Pradesh.

Nor does the program prioritize extraordinary ability. Congress requires petitions to be processed largely in the order they are filed. Employers themselves classify 82 percent of H-1B workers at the Department of Labor's two lowest wage levels — 31 percent as entry-level and another 51 percent as qualified workers. Only about 18 percent are paid at levels that indicate above-average experience or expertise.

The H-1B program rewards the greatest volume of applications and speed, not exceptional talent.

Myth No. 4: America Needs H-1B Because Our Students Cannot Compete
Reality: The evidence says otherwise.

Supporters frequently argue that American schools are failing to produce enough STEM graduates while countries such as India are producing better-trained workers.

But international assessments tell a different story. India's students performed near the bottom when the country participated in the Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study. In addition, an international study published by the National Academies of Sciences found that American computer science students outperformed students from India and China. The average American student scored higher than students attending elite institutions in those countries.

The problem is not that American graduates lack ability. It is that many employers can hire foreign workers at lower wages.

Myth No. 5: H-1B Workers Are Paid the Prevailing Wage
Reality: The law says employers must pay at least the prevailing wage for the occupation and location. Yet the H-1B system is designed to allow employers to ignore this requirement with impunity.

Employers may determine the prevailing wage themselves rather than use the Department of Labor's published wage data. Federal law requires the Department of Labor to certify Labor Condition Applications within seven days and generally prohibits the agency from verifying employers' wage claims before approval.

The result is predictable. In 2024, over 90 percent of employer-submitted prevailing wage claims for approved H-1B visas were below the Bureau of Labor Statistics' prevailing wage for the occupation and location.

Newly available USCIS data show that H-1B workers are typically paid substantially less than comparable American workers in the same occupation and metropolitan area.

Myth No. 6: H-1B Is for Highly Skilled Workers
Reality: The only occupation that requires H-1B nonimmigrants to be highly skilled is fashion models. For others, a four-year degree is all that is required.

Under the Department of Labor’s four-tier, skill-based prevailing wage, employers classify 31 percent of H-1B workers as entry level and 51 percent as qualified, the two lowest skill levels. Employers even classify H-1B nonimmigrants in their 50s and 60s as “entry level”.

Myth No. 7: Only 65,000 H-1B Visas Are Issued Each Year
Reality: The often-cited 65,000 cap is only part of the story.

Congress created an additional 20,000 visas for graduates of U.S. universities. Universities and many nonprofit research institutions are exempt from numerical limits altogether.

As a result, the government approved approximately 141,000 new H-1B workers in FY 2024 — more than double the statutory cap most people hear about because many visas are exempt from the quotas.

The largest H-1B job classification, by far, is computer occupations, where the number of H-1B nonimmigrants exceeds job creation. Supporters try to hide this flood of foreign workers by making the apples-to-orange comparison of H-1B numbers to the entire labor market.

Myth No. 8: There Is a $60,000 Minimum Salary for H-1B Visas
Reality: This is a complete fiction. No such requirement exists.

Over 2,000 H-1B visas were approved in 2024 with wages below $60,000.

Myth No. 9: The Department of Labor Sets the Minimum Wage for H-1B Workers
Reality: The employer determines the prevailing wage for H-1B employees.

The Department of Labor is required to certify whatever the employer claims is the prevailing wage within seven days and is prohibited from checking the accuracy of the claim, even after approval.

Some 90 percent of employer prevailing wage claims in 2024 were less than the actual prevailing wage for the occupation and location reported by the BLS.

The employer can request a prevailing wage determination from the Department of Labor, but this rarely happens.

Myth No. 10: H-1B Wages Are Comparable to U.S. Wages
Reality: Overall, H-1B wages are nowhere close to U.S. wages for the same occupation and location as the law ostensibly requires.

Only wages for H-1B workers from a handful of countries, particularly in Northern Europe, Australia, and Canada are comparable to U.S. wages and often exceed U.S. wages. These represent less than 5 percent of the visas.

The countries with wages comparable to U.S. wages are more than offset by wages paid to H-1B workers from India, who collectively have absurdly low wages and make up nearly all H-1B visas.

Myth No. 11: The H-1B Program Is Broken
Reality: This is the biggest myth of all.

A broken program is one that fails to achieve its intended purpose.

But Congress deliberately eliminated the labor-shortage requirement. Congress chose not to require employers to recruit Americans first. Congress created a Labor Condition Application system that relies largely on employer self-certification. Congress has known for decades that American workers have been replaced by H 1B employees, yet it has never prohibited the practice broadly.

Congress has known for decades that employers have been replacing Americans with H-1B nonimmigrants. Congress’s response to this abusive behavior was to make the practice explicitly legal. No one should be surprised at an employer that lays off thousands of Americans while hiring thousands of H-1B nonimmigrants.

The H-1B program is producing exactly the outcomes its structure encourages: employers gain access to a large pool of lower-cost foreign labor while facing few obligations to recruit American workers first or verify wage claims independently.

If policy-makers truly want an H-1B program focused on exceptional talent, they should redesign it accordingly. That means requiring meaningful recruitment of American workers, independently verifying prevailing wages, prioritizing genuinely exceptional applicants rather than first-filed petitions, and prohibiting employers from replacing American workers with H-1B employees.

Until then, the public should stop asking why H-1B is broken because H-1B works exactly as Congress intended it to work.


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@ex have no day job?

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Post ID: @kr+1m58v65t6

@ep OMG, somebody should check the same for Citi, they might have rejected candidates on shaky grounds

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Post ID: @ex+1m58v65t6

@e8 Fraud example, fresh off the plate, cloudera asked folks to apply by sending resume to a junk email address and filed PERM for the same roles

https://www.collinruggnews.com/tech-giant-barred-from-green-card-filings-in-2-million-discrimination-settlement/

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Post ID: @ep+1m58v65t6

@de what you mean by chinese h1b went down -- there is no separate cap for chinese or Indians.Its a global count.Chinese went down as they banned US tech , Indians accepted as India accepted US tech. But yes responsibility is on hiring manager, govt can not run businesses.you become hiring manager and run your way

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Post ID: @em+1m58v65t6

Executives decide to outsource, workers blame immigration. Go figure.

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Post ID: @e8+1m58v65t6

@dw The quality of computer science, IT, AI/Data graduates from India even after couple of years of experience (except from old IITs/NITs) is pathetic and they stand no way closer to fresh graduates even from State Universities here. Nowadays, real bright Indian graduates are building start-ups in India and third tier college graduates end up here either thru connections, fabricated credentials, servile attitude towards bosses and by hiding their incompetence under the garb of putting in extra long hours.

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Post ID: @dx+1m58v65t6

@dm H1B, L1 program has become a fraud, it should be trashed.

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Post ID: @dw+1m58v65t6

@de How is it fraud? Firms are doing what they think will save them money and grow shareholder profit, rightly or wrongly. If they are opening GCC's in India or anywhere else outside of the US, then which exact law are they breaking that makes it fraud to do so?You can question their motives but if a firm is listed, then their loyalty is to their shareholder, not to the average worker

You can question the morality though...and till a law is made, banning outsourcing...which, by the way, is another Magatard pipe dream which will never happen due to lobbying slush funds employed by corps

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Post ID: @dm+1m58v65t6

@d2 GCCs are not simply because of talent, Indian economy is growing at the fastest rate and they have introduced quite stringent data localization and privacy rules. From day one, China banned Big 5, it led to creation of their own Giant 10s and lot of Chinese engineers went back (their H1B percentage came down) but that didn’t impact US citizens employment. Currently what is going on is sheer fraud

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Post ID: @de+1m58v65t6

@d2 Infosys is partnering with Truist to open a new GCC in India.

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Post ID: @d8+1m58v65t6

Errr, here's what matters:

26 AMERICAN companies are establishing new operations in INDIA in 2026-27. Doordash has 3k+ jobs, Charles Schwab has 2k+, Southwest with 1k+, Starbucks, Walgreens, Airbnb has a new GCC being built...

This spans software engineering, AI, cybersecurity, finance and product development. How many more examples are needed that you can crackdown how much ever you want on work visas...the jobs will follow where the talent is. In just my limited example above, that's 10k-12k jobs gone plus social security, medicare/medicaid, job loss insurance contribution, federal, state and city taxes (for home owners).....gone. Overseas.

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Post ID: @d2+1m58v65t6

@OP the fact though those are the system and leaders gave the country $2gas and world's largest economy.Search with CEOs and execs that have started career as H1B and look for economic value , jobs that are created due to the same system. Its easy to criticise to cover own failures but creating something real takes great leadership

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