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I asked AI why FNV4 Faled

Theory: Why FNV4 Failed

FNV4 failed because Ford attempted a full-scale software and electrical architecture transformation (a "moonshot") without first addressing the foundational organizational, cultural, and technical readiness required for success in such a transformation.

🔍 Key Interconnected Causes

  1. Overambitious Scope Without Readiness

Ford tried to build a fully new "zonal" electrical architecture and a new software stack and launch multiple EVs — all at once. This clean-sheet approach ignored lessons from the Mach-E and other Gen1 EVs. As one engineer said: "Everything is new, and a lot of opinionated people are pushing unproven directions."

  1. Fragmented & Duplicative Execution

Instead of unifying teams, Ford leadership (notably under Doug Field) let two internal efforts compete: one focused on building, one on buying (e.g. from BlackBerry QNX). Teams operated under NDAs and avoided sharing insights, resulting in two half-baked architectures and wasted time and money.

  1. Toxic Leadership Culture

Field and senior managers are accused of empire building, gaslighting engineers, manipulating metrics, and promoting unqualified favorites. Middle management layers (LL4–LL6) enforced micromanagement and punished dissent. Engineers were told to "play ball" with fake KPIs to secure bonuses.

  1. Communication Breakdown

A systemic “green-light syndrome” plagued FNV4 — reports said everything was fine until the program collapsed. Upward communication was filtered or suppressed; employees feared retaliation for raising concerns. Executives were likely in denial or willfully ignorant.

  1. Cultural Clash & Identity Crisis

Ford's Michigan-rooted manufacturing culture clashed with the Silicon Valley "skunkworks" software mindset. Rather than integrating the two, leadership treated the Valley team as special, undermining buy-in from the core engineering base in Dearborn.

  1. Misallocation of Talent

Layoffs and prior restructuring had already eroded Ford’s core technical talent. FNV4 was staffed with inexperienced or disconnected hires, while capable veterans were either sidelined or gone. Many now work at competitors like Rivian.

  1. Process Paralysis

Bureaucratic processes (GPDS, WERS, etc.) meant decisions took months. Software teams couldn’t iterate. Approval delays, tool failures, and unclear ownership caused a “death by process” in many components.

  1. No Clear Requirements or Roadmap

Requirements were often incomplete or missing entirely. Teams reported months of idle time waiting for definitions. Managers rushed to show progress via fake demos, further eroding trust in the system.

  1. Chronic Strategic Flip-Flopping

Executives pivoted constantly — from FNV3 to FNV4 to now FNV3.x or CE1. This instability exhausted engineers, who described the environment as one where "people have checked out, and nobody believes anymore."

  1. Blame Culture & Lack of Accountability

Nobody in leadership publicly took responsibility. Engineers were scapegoated. Contract workers were disposable. Promotions were still handed out despite the failure — reinforcing the perception that failure had no consequences at the top.

🔚 Conclusion

FNV4 didn’t just fail because the tech was hard — it failed because Ford tried to build next-gen software on a last-gen corporate culture. The program was doomed by:

  • conflicting internal priorities
  • poor cross-team integration
  • systemic mismanagement
  • an unhealthy workplace culture built on fear, denial, and blame

Until Ford reforms its internal systems — flattening hierarchy, promoting accountability, aligning incentives, and empowering true technical leadership — any successor to FNV4 (like CE1 or FNV5) risks repeating this billion-dollar mistake.

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it failed because of money allocation mistakes and bringing in the tenure freaks in a game they didn’t grow up in. it failed because of leadership being paid big for a world they weren’t a part of… it failed because of sub leadership under df were groomed career lore maxers instead of living in this world. it failed because they lied. it failed because they had a big mouth. it failed because they showed the press one thing that was the complete opposite from reality. it failed because we didn’t invest financially into talent out of jealousy. so much money but where? it felt like the place was running on peanuts! it failed because we didn’t have any leaders with domain expertise to groom talent. it failed because friends were involved. it failed because we were paying salaries of multiple people that leached off one and then made fun of that single person to rise up. it failed because it was called startup but had the same procedures. it failed because the hiring process was abusive and undermining which led to future problems. it failed because the old guard didn’t listen to new guard from the start. it failed because you forced authentic people to deal with posers. it failed because it was not merit nor was it on equal footing. it failed because we spent 10 billion dollars and nobody saw any of it like a magic trick, where did it go? it failed because the hiring teams didnt listen to nuance, they didn’t have cultural awareness. it failed because there was no protection for talent, the hr dept couldn’t relate… if anything felt jealousy. it failed because fords oldschool mindset is about pulling one over and saving a buck which always costs a buck later on. it failed because we outsourced work instead of ownership. it failed because we didn’t credit people where due. it failed because we had toxicity within our ranks. it failed because there was bad morale. it failed because you ki-led the heros to save the evil villains who had a death grip. it failed due to forced blackbox situations because of buying prop. software to abstract for vehicle comms. it failed because it was anti intellectual. it failed because leadership cant stfu to the press and share future plans instead of finishing first. it failed because the people who designed the team structures were lowkey racist and set it up to manipulate power dynamics and cultures instead of normal diversity (throw all browns together etc like huh)… it failed due to lack of urgency. it failed due to not understanding extrinsic incentive bias. it failed due to not having impression management for role performance. it failed due to not having a reputation of faith unity discipline on the mission. it failed because there was no respect to be had. it failed because michigan talent was discriminated. it failed because nobody respects anyone there because its just a bunch of posers with no cracked story just a manufactured one. it failed because these people couldn’t be humble. it failed because management couldn’t face humility or ever admit when wrong if they were contested, instead they had to show whos backing them and wield that power instead of moving as a new person with new information. it failed because they didn’t respect talent, instead laughed at them or discredited so they can siphon. it failed because you drove or destroyed anyone good there. it failed because of envy. it failed because nobody listened. it failed because there is a deathgrip on intellect… rejecting room to breathe.

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Post ID: @b4j+1jwaze9tg

Will the AI bot try to blackmail or ki-l the lying execs who try to shut it up for telling the truth about the sheet show that is playing out in real life?

Tune in next episode---- same bot time, same bot channel!!!

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@kp+1jwaze9tg

Precisely the right time huh? What's your definition of the right time?

How many times were the goal posts moved to accommodate the lack of progress? Where were you at during this time? Your comment proves you are uninformed and unqualified to comment on this matter. You lack factual context and the needed reasoning capabilities. Please refrain from contributing your elementary input.

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Post ID: @wz+1jwaze9tg

funny that an AI bot is more honest than the executives. an AI bot is too d-mb to know that problems need to be swept under the rug and re-branded as successes, or else you won't get promoted.

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Post ID: @s0+1jwaze9tg

@m3

Correct. There is so much foolery going on that it's hard to comprehend. I don't know what goes on at the higher levels but I know one thing that isn't going on: fiscal responsibility and accountability. I'm not sure why you fire engineers that were given directives. Yes maybe some of them didn't do their job up to par. But the whole architecture failed, man. That isn't one person or group, that comes from the top level and is a big deal. Seems like leadership has been fine with just throwing it in the trash laying off a hundreds of people and quietly moving on. No, we need to address this before the same people commit resources to something else that fails miserably. Doesn't that make sense rather than launching headlong into something else? I think an autopsy needs to be done on the FNV4 dead body we have so these mistakes can be less likely to happen. Otherwise we're just letting people raid the corporate treasury for booze and blow while they layoff workers that put forth effort to make the impossible happen.

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Post ID: @me+1jwaze9tg

@kw

This isnt a real person. It's a corporate bot with no feeling or reason. It's programmed to find negative posts about model e and make a counter point. I call it Mr. Bland.

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Post ID: @m8+1jwaze9tg

kp+1jwaze9tg fact one FNV4 has been in the works for some time. He had ample time to figure this out. And I have heard the total lost investment was much higher than was was published.

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Post ID: @m3+1jwaze9tg

Post ID: @kw+1jwaze9tg

Read DF's commentary on the Ford homepage from a few weeks ago, everything you need to know was addressed in that piece. Search for it in the news archive if you cannot find it.

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Post ID: @kx+1jwaze9tg

@kp how exactly? The FNV4 team is still there. A whole bunch of people just sitting there.

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Post ID: @kw+1jwaze9tg

DF saved the company millions probably billions by issuing a stop work on FNV4 at precisely the right time. Get your facts correct.

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Post ID: @kp+1jwaze9tg

This can't be AI.

The content of this post are so damn accurate, containing insider information that makes it very difficult to believe it has been generated by AI.

DF and JF shall both be gone, and any bonuses paid to them shall be taken back to cover a tiny portion of the damages they incurred.

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Post ID: @j1+1jwaze9tg

So, exactly how long did it take AI to post the current corporate directory?

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Post ID: @h1+1jwaze9tg

DF & JF needs to go. DF hired into ford in 21. it took him till now to figure this out? This should have been cutoff no later than 2nd qtr of 23. Now comes JF & BF why did they let this continue? Numbers and data don't lie... Sorry but it is time for a new BOD and Senior management team. Otherwise inside of 6yrs Ford as we know it will be done. Need WS and the press to back this up.

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Post ID: @fx+1jwaze9tg

@az+1jwaze9tg

This is like when I’m cutting up in traffic on 696 like dale sr and see someone else doing the same until we exit 😂

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Post ID: @er+1jwaze9tg

@d0

International espionage has been part of the Ford process since the 1950s.

https://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-ford-foundation-and-the-cia/

"From the early 1950s to the present the CIA’s intrusion into the foundation field was/and is huge. A U.S. Congressional investigation in 1976 revealed that nearly 50% of the 700 grants in the field of international activities by the principal foundations were funded by the CIA (Saunders, pp. 134-135). The CIA considers foundations such as Ford “The best and most plausible kind of funding cover"

By the late 1950s the Ford Foundation possessed over $3 billion in assets. The leaders of the Foundation were in total agreement with Washington’s post-WWII projection of world power."

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Post ID: @dm+1jwaze9tg

@dj

Interesting company logo

https://yandex.com/images/search?lr=21074&text=Dodge%20Brothers%20Company

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Post ID: @dk+1jwaze9tg

@d0

It's been part of the process since 1919 when shareholder primacy was enshrined in sham legal precedent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.

"Dodge v. Ford Motor Co., 204 Mich 459; 170 NW 668 (1919),[1] is a case in which the Michigan Supreme Court held that Henry Ford had to operate the Ford Motor Company in the interests of its shareholders, rather than in a manner for the benefit of his employees or customers. It is often taught as affirming the principle of "shareholder primacy" in corporate America, although that teaching has received some criticism.[2][3]

As of 2022, in Delaware, the jurisdiction where over half of all U.S. public companies are domiciled, shareholder primacy is still upheld.[4][5] "

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Post ID: @dj+1jwaze9tg

The first issue Ford needs to address is the FNV4 promotion process.
Many individuals promoted to LL4 roles appear to be a fundamental root cause of all evil and source of dysfunction. A critical review of how these promotions were handled is essential to restoring effective leadership and accountability. The question is why some folks are untouchables ??? What did they do to get this status.

Next, attention should turn to the practices under “Doggy,” whose approach to annual layoffs and new replacement hires has created stagnation. The lack of insight into who was laid off, what their contributions were, and the broader impact of these decisions has led to confusion and inefficiency across the organization. T

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Post ID: @d8+1jwaze9tg

re. @a1+1jwaze9tg

That 'report' is part of the process.

https://www.thelayoff.com/post/@jv+1jw7kky5h

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Post ID: @d0+1jwaze9tg

A perfect description of how Ford really operates. Sad but true, unfortunately.

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Post ID: @cx+1jwaze9tg

Unfortunately Ford management perpetuates these stereotypes. And hires more expensive and clueless developers in California. Goodbye Michigan.

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Post ID: @cr+1jwaze9tg

am+1jwaze9tg So it took DF nearly 4yrs to figure this out? I guess that explains his nickname (IHOP) when it come to time on a job. Sorry but DF needs to go .

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Post ID: @c8+1jwaze9tg

@am hahhahhaha. FNV4 team is still there and collecting their paychecks. Twiddling thumbs is more work than they are doing right now. No direction, no project . A chunk of the people impacted were all due to political reasons. LL4 just wanting to keep his cronies and yes men who don't speak.

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Post ID: @bs+1jwaze9tg

All of those were factors, no doubt. But make no mistake, this was a failure of leadership from the top down. Just awful, terrible leadership with no clear path to success. Just a "stoke the fires of competition and see who produces".

Ford is in over their heads in this new world of transportation. And they will need to break the hold of the Ford family, and fire every senior leader with smart replacements. Or it's bankruptcy.

I don't see the Ford family changing things enough to avoid the inevitable.

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Post ID: @br+1jwaze9tg

This reads like an AI generated summary of the posts on this site.

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Post ID: @b8+1jwaze9tg

Excellent summary. I agree 100%. The suits will blame anyone but never themselves. They grew up on lay offs and sufferings from other people.
Why do you think many of them are happy about lay offs and buzzing about Ford e model? The sc--u-m of the earth they are !

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Post ID: @b1+1jwaze9tg

Haha, I wrote the quote in that AI piece, and guess what, I don’t work at Ford. I trolled this site and got it quoted by ChatGPT. Our future is not good.

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Post ID: @az+1jwaze9tg

More proof AI isn't all that. Not one mention of the possibly billions that DF saved the company by putting a stop to FNV4 when it was clear it would not deliver on its objectives.

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Post ID: @am+1jwaze9tg

Pretty low effort post to just copy and paste

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Post ID: @ak+1jwaze9tg

Having been involved in all that, I agree with AI analysis.

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Post ID: @aj+1jwaze9tg

We'll, that was faster and cheaper and more accurate than the McKinsey analysis they are just about to order for a few million bucks

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