Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

I am a manager at Cisco. I am telling you no manager wants you to leave if you are doing the job and right fit for the role.

In the days of quarterly layoffs, in some groups when extremely senior management demanded a potential head every quarter good lower level managers would pick someone to dance harder for a quarter then declare them "rehabilitated" so no one was let go. It worked because the person pushing for this was so high up that senior management within the group could intervene each time.

There are too many layers involved of varying levels of competence to know what is going on with OP, but the tone of the post suggests taking action quickly to get a job at another company is better than finding a way to stay in toxicity. By the time your manager formally said anything to you odds are HR is already actively involved behind the scenes and even if you walked on water once they start pushing you out you'll need a high level champion to intervene.

Oh yeah everyone is chopping at the bit to hire a dysfunctional malingerer on disability. Loser

I've managed teams for two decades. I've only had two problematic employees that I had to let go as a very last resort. If you're felling pressure to exit the stage, it's a clue you're not fit for the team you're a member of. No need to see everyone as toxic and out to get you. Take your time to find a job, and do it today. Your days in your team are numbered.

I am a manager at Cisco. I am telling you no manager wants you to leave if you are doing the job and right fit for the role. If you have been told to find another it means they do see something which is better suitable for you. I would recommend to leave at earliest

"DISABILITY?!?!?!? MFr go look for a new job like a normal person and stop your whinning."

I've seen people be managed out in abusive manners. Have some empathy.

Just remember Cisco is not a performance based company. A VP could replace you with a nephew, and derail your career and future earning potential.

DISABILITY?!?!?!? MFr go look for a new job like a normal person and stop your whinning.

Leave and do it fast. Sounds like you just want to be a mooch or avoid the LR that you probably will be a part of. It's pathetic people pull this stunt of LOA rather than taking what's coming to you.

Fact: Nobody helps you at Cisco. Nobody is beside you. All those harassments and bullying by your manager are treated like nothing happened, even though you reported. The company is ALWAYS on your manager's side, NOT on your side, regardless. That's the way Cisco works. So many talented, competent people who've done nothing wrong were laid off like that.
You can contact D. Buckley of HR, and he will remove you from the company.

My mental health is affected and I'm considering going on disability leave. Will I still be able to recruit for internal roles while on disability leave?

First, why would you be asking a forum of anonymous people who know nothing about the specifics of Cisco's leave and hiring policies? Ask HR.

Secondly, not to diminish mental health, but if your mental health is SO bad that you need disability leave, then you're not well enough to take a different role within or outside of Cisco. If getting a different role (inside or outside) is enough to make you better, then you don't need disability leave for mental health. That's just abusing what disability leave is for.

I wish I'd been in your shoes years ago and been "asked to look for new roles" instead of being put on a PIP so I could be managed out of Cisco by a new manager because his boss didn't like me whereas my previous boss was willing to shield the team from the toxic Sr Manager. Once he left, the new manager "managed" 75% of the original team out the doors within 18 months. Since I was on a PIP, I couldn't do an internal transfer because Cisco wanted to prevent managers from shipping off "a bad apple" to other teams by saying someone was better than they actually were just to get rid of them easier than firing them.

Luckily, an LR was announced and suddenly my PIP was forgotten and I got LR'd and after the 6 months was up, a much better manager offered me a spot on his team and I've been back and getting high IPF's, pay increases, and RSU's ever since.

If things are so toxic you need to get out for your mental health, why are you waiting to be "told" to look for a new role? You should have been looking months ago.

Apply the LR package directly.

First of all, you'll need a doctor's note justifying your disability leave and then it has to be approved by Cisco's disability administrator, Sedgwick. Secondly, when you're on disability you will lose access to many (although not all) tools that employees have access to and you will not be able to apply for other internal jobs. Third, going on disability is not going to address your mental health issues unless you seek help. Free counseling is available to all employees through the Employee Assistance program so check your benefits and take advantage of them. Fourth, being on disability for mental health reasons will not reflect well on you if you decide to get back in the fold at Cisco at a later date. And lastly, the holiday shutdown is fast approaching, so maybe start by extending it with PTO, take 2+ weeks off and then assess how you feel after the new year.

The key is realizing there is no easy way out. Dr-gs, alcohol, medication, other people; ultimately those are just crutches. You have to rely on just yourself. So toughen up. I try every day. Every hour.

This is really important advice. From:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/mass-extinction

More than 99 percent of all organisms that have ever lived on Earth are extinct.

Everything has to compete for resources. There are times when it can feel exhausting. I've never seen dr-gs and alcohol yield anything positive, but anyone who has broken a leg will tell you crutches while getting proper medical treatment and physical therapy can make taking care of the other things in life far easier while you're healing. The same goes for your brain. If you feel you need help please get it, there is no need for shame, but you have to realize throughout life you have to put in the effort. I wish you well.

The man has no skills and looking to retire at Cisco.

Please looking forward to having with your Coffin money coming out from Cisco too.

You are describing corporate america, certainly not isolated to toxic Cisco. Find a job externally. If you are unemployed while job hunting recruiters will low ball you and destroy your future earning potential.

ps: do not go on cobra and look into cheap insurance options on the marketplace if you are laid off

@ase+1pFRgnn7 You sound like they mentally ill and unhealthy goggins guy that gives all the terrible advice.

Why so stressed out? Get a life. it is only a job. You will land another job easily in anywhere else if you are good. There are too many companies better than Cisco to work for, at least in the United States. But if you are in Mexico, Cisco might be a good place to work.

Your mgr is doing you a big favor by asking you to look for another role in the company. The alternative would be an LR. If you think moving to another team is a negative thing, you've serious mental issues.

Just ask for severance

The only 'safe space' @Cisco is on ELT. If being asked to change jobs is enough to put you on disability, maybe it's time to change companies or career goals.

You’re already gone - you just don’t see it ….

Avoiding adversity and not developing coping techniques will haunt oneself through the rest of life's journey and challenges.

The truth is, our interpretations of all of the complexity and complication exist only in our minds.

The world will decide its ultimate path, and we are each just along for each of our own rides through that path.

The sooner each of us realize it (the reality of this overall world) is in no way, in any way, about our own individual emotions buzzing around in our own skulls.

I likewise have been sickened in the past, and constantly focus to manage my own anxieties.

For me, the answer was get up every day and start exercising at 5am. No matter how lousy I feel. No matter how ridiculous it seems. I am the one that chooses to beat the crud out of myself, not anyone else.

The toughest life journey, one that have taken many times in dealing with life; but hopefully have it right this time.

The key is realizing there is no easy way out. Dr-gs, alcohol, medication, other people; ultimately those are just crutches. You have to rely on just yourself. So toughen up. I try every day. Every hour.

You’re not getting on my team.

Disability leave because you're asked to look for a job? Gee that's rich. Man up and look for a job.