Until when? Just so we can stay extra stressed on a daily basis forever?
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@bk i think that's a different CV than under TG (LL4)
Yup, the great RTO is thinning the herd. Don't leave without $$ people. But if you're done, you're done. Happy retirement friends. Go and enjoy
@bg yeah connected vehicles. Under MJ > KW > GK
I know someone who put in her 2 weeks notice today due to the RTO
@ba Older employees without pensions will be fired to avoid lawsuits for firing those with pensions.
@aw CVS? connected vehicle? under TG?
@b5 You're absolutely right that older employees with pensions can be targeted. I hear you, but it's important to recognize that youngsters feel pressure as well. Many are just starting out, hoping for a fair chance, not trying to threaten or displace anyone. They want equal footing and often walk into an environment that's already tense and divided.
There’s a huge difference between being old and washed and old and wise. The latter usually welcome new camps and want to contribute. But the culture right now doesn’t reward that. Instead, it thrives on fear, silos, and resentment, and that’s what’s really dragging everyone down.
Sometimes, especially when they're new or just trying to find their way, they can be a bit naive, mistaking insecurity for wisdom in those who’ve been around longer. That can leave them vulnerable, especially since they don’t always know all the players or the networks that might unfairly shape impressions or back certain biases. It’s a tough dynamic that makes things less fair for everyone.
When youngsters are met with insecurity or unspoken competition, it creates tension, and often, they feel ganged up on or iced out without understanding why. Not because they’ve done anything wrong, but because others feel they "shouldn’t" be earning that kind of coin so early (hence the lower pay). And that plays straight into the biases leadership uses to keep us divided.
Some of these kids really do deserve the respect. Not everyone comes from the same cookie-cutter background fresh out of college, and not everyone got here the same way, but many have put thousands of hours of hard work behind them. We could all benefit from a fresh perspective. I feel it's harmful to use the skills and work they bring, but not give proper credit where it counts, like fair pay or genuine recognition. Instead, there’s this gatekeeping mindset: “You just graduated college”, or “You don’t know how things really work”, which can be used as a we-pon to hold them back or pretend they need constant mentorship, even when they’ve earned their spot. This selective recognition creates unfair barriers and undermines true equity.
Believe it or not, some younger folks do get pushed out or even smeared just for making noise too early, no fault of their own. And while that may stir fear in others (that their own time is up), I don’t think the old and wise are the ones engaging in that kind of targeting. Real recognize real. True wisdom or authenticity naturally recognizes the same qualities in someone else. It’s not wisdom that reacts with fear, it’s insecurity. Unfortunately, some folks take it really far.
@ap They layoff in small batches, then rehire in younger with less pay. They also keep shifting higher level work down to the lower ranks. Both have been happening for years.
@ar+1k455st98 is right. Take control of what you can, and don't think too much on the rest. During the layoffs of 2019, I realized the paradigm changed at Ford. It doesn't matter how much you do, nor what you deliver, but how old you are and how much pension and salary obligations the company has with you.
Since then, I started limiting my unpaid efforts, and working on building my rainy funds. During the layoffs of 2022, I stressed out because of an accident had wiped most of the rainy fund just a couple of months before. So now I have cash, short term and long term investments. I am taking it easy. I don't want to lose my job here, but if it happens, I can take time to find the next gig, since I'm fully funded for more than a year.
An LL5 in the CVS org is no longer at Ford as of last Friday. Likely laid off as there was no departure email from him. Initials are DC.
The best thing for your mental health is to try not to care about this. Control what you can and if you can't then whatever. Just take every set back, late deadline and a normal thing. The absolute worst they can do to you is let you go. In the grand scheme of things, is that all that bad? Labor market isn't good, but don't believe everything you hear on how bad it is.
According to the posts here, they have been laying off 10% every for the last few years, there are only a small group of employees left anyway.
Just another shining example showing how little senior "leadership" cares about the workers.
Too bad we, as a collective, aren't willing to match that energy.
Yes, exactly. To regain control of people you need to keep them in a state of constant fear. Together with no sense of belonging- ie no permanent desk, ridiculously fake performance system- ie Ford+ behaviors, and the threat of job loss....you will essentially become a compliant drone.
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