Hard to get an answer from anyone I don’t think anyone knows anything
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First, let me say that come a months time, you will be wishing for a union; fact.
Second, the hourly workforce has already been whittled down for decades by UTC. At some point it takes SKILLED labor, where as Pratt bought; IAS PR.
Three: NGPF Is going to be a bigger plague than COVID ever was.... Fact
Reference: The CT strike of 2001; how did those V2500’s go. Yeah I know the answer. Hey my badge will work tomorrow tho
Exactly non-executive salary is like the middle class, no handouts and limited funds to truly have financial freedom.
Hourly employees make up a fraction of PW's workforce compared to engineering.
While we do sell engineering as a product, our primary three products are complete engines, parts, and service agreements. These products pay our paychecks, and hourly employees handle two of those three. If we do not see a rapid recovery, it's like both will be impacted at different times and rates.
When it comes to Raytheon corporate...I imagine there are a surplus of lawyers and accountants now that one of the largest merger tasks in history has been completed.
Not everyone is interested in being forced to join a union and being told who to vote for.
To the previous comment, I gave thought into how well an Engineers Union would work. My hypothesis is that it could work depending on the environment. Probably wouldn't work too well in manufacturing where Engineering is no longer a trade or profession in its own right. Manufacturing Engineering is little more than "Intro to Management". The Engineers who buy into that culture wouldn't join a union for fear of no career progression. I would join one. I see myself as being a career Engineer. No want or desire to go into management.
Those of you mad at unions... start a union for non-executive salaried employees. These are literally the least protected people at the company. Execs have their contracts, and their fat bonuses, meanwhile regular ol salary mfs don’t have sh– except “keep your head down, work hard, drink this kool aid, and stop asking questions!!!!”
Exactly, that’s a coping mechanism that the hourly people are telling themselves
It all depends on the workload. The company just won't pay people to idle. If hourly workers are fully loaded, it means PW is producing at full power. There is no need to lay people off. The reality is commercial engine delivery is low and repair is low, because airlines don't fly their airplanes. So I don't believe more salaried people than hourly people.
I heard the same thing, we had a tool box meeting this morning. Business unit manager confirmed the hiring of more hourly employees during the layoff of salaried employees. With abundant of overtime available for them. I don’t understand this financial strategy!!!
Just came from a production meeting. We were told that the company will be hiring more hourly employees during these times of salary layoffs. This makes no sense at all to me...
The signal to noise ratio in this forum is absolutely terrible, and will remain that way until lay-off actions actually start to happen.
Conflicting information.
From a flow down meeting last week with my manager, engineering expected to have minimal hit as part of the 15-20% work force reduction.
Seems we are all being told things to make ya feel more comfortable? (No shock)
"I also have been hearing engineering would have the least damage"
Not accurate. Engineering, both Manufacturing and Design will bear a good amount of the load.
Nobody wants to see anyone get laid off..... when it comes down to it I feel like hourly is the one who makes the company money . Don’t get me wrong I know salary makes them money too . Just hoping the best for everyone at this point
Nobody said they expected salary to shoulder the entire layoff, and people are just making things up obviously. Theres a lot of stupidity in this discussion. The low seniority hourly people have the potential to be laid off just like everyone else, but honestly there is more waste in salary which is why salary will most likely be hit harder. It doesn’t take much for people to throw each other under the bus around here
Salary at EH is getting it but hourly everywhere else is too. Why would they only cut salary? Sounds like a cope for hourly folk.
I also have been hearing engineering would have the least damage
How does quality make sense? We're just going to ignore regulations now?
Actually quality makes a lot of sense
I was told IT will be the least hit in skip level with one of the executives from QUALITY
I was told engineering would be hit the hardest
I was also told that engineering will be hit less than other departments.
I know this will get a lot of downvotes (thanks, unions!), but it's not fair to expect salaried to shoulder this entire thing.