"In order to win in this competitive market, we need to optimize for speed and excellence"
These "win" statements make me cringe. Knowing how these layoffs work, there are two outcomes: employees left behind absorb the work, or they just rehire for the positions. I don't see either being good for speed or excellence.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/general-motors/2024/11/15/gm-to-lay-off-roughly-1000-people-in-reorganization/76328645007/
So I'll leave you with a shorter version this time.
You don't seem to understand how the cycle works among union, salaried, and contract. Your response gives you away as someone that hasn't walked this walk. Your point "pontificating exactly why things panned out they way they have for you" is suspect, as I don't believe you have any clue about what did, or did not work out for me. I gave you the contract cycle for GM, and it completely flew over your head. I've provided nothing about the success in my life today, yet you've formulated a response based upon the layoff patterns of GM.
When those that speak from experience offer advice, they don't do it from the point of needing or wanting anything at all. Instead, for those that don't believe, choose not to believe, or could care less, instead they simply allow time prove them right.
So, let us see if what you just said is truth, or a lie.
Will you once again respond to this, or instead "Have a nice life. Moving on...".
Let us see if you can allow yourself not to respond.
"back in my time"/"As if anyone expects not to get laid off - ever?"
I don't want to be mean but I can see by your pontificating exactly why things panned out they way they have for you. I'm definitely not new to this, BTW. Incredible that you presume many of us haven't been through the last few economic cycles. I could barely get through your long-winded diatribe. Holy mackerel!
"which is why I say only 1000 so far"
Right. You say a lot of things. Here is a fact: GM laid off 3,854 workers in 2024 and 2,949 workers in 2023.
Have a nice life. Moving on...
First time for you @adwm+1vPKLwHg? You seem pretty new to this.
Layoffs always seem like calamity to the ones being laid off, but one door closes and another opens.
Since "back in my time" is my name, I'll provide you with a little glimpse of the future for those without the experience or ability to see it. It's no wonder why everyone's so shell-shocked when layoffs hit them. As if anyone expects not to get laid off - ever?
My latest layoff was back in 2019. That was a fun one. 2008 and everything in between was also wonderful. People remember what it was like trying to secure a job after the Lehman brothers collapse, you couldn't find one. Ever see entire floors in Warren wiped out in one go? You could walk through the tower and it was a ghost town on many floors. Understandably, 2008 was BK, but the game is still the same. Employee severing.
I think that was my sixth to eighth layoff with GM and related, up until 2019, but I mean I still have those connections today. Learned to become excellent at interviewing, always getting laid off, and then rehired and recycled into another GM group, all around the campus. Now, why do you think that was? I use to work with someone that coined it the employee economic recycling program, and there was a purpose for it.
So yes, I do very much understand the impact these layoffs have on people. No I'm not a dinosaur like you think I might be, just someone with a bit more experience. No times haven't changed, GM plays by the same exact rules today since I've started. Yes lay offs are always chaos for those affected, as I have quite a lot of experience of pain in that arena with GM. You can treat it like a woe me situation, or you can find the silver lining in it.
There is nothing new under the sun. But you are correct, it's going to get worse, much worse. This ball is just starting to roll, in which is why I say only 1000 so far? Right now is the silent part. The noisy part they won't be able to hide, and it will affect all companies across the country.
First was recession.
Next came great recession.
What likely comes next in the pattern? Everything is at sky high valuations, making for quite a grand fall potential. Think a 2001 tech market repeat scenario.
In 2019, General Motors (GM) announced plans to lay off nearly 14,000 workers and idle five North American plants:
Factory workers: GM announced in November 2018 that it would indefinitely idle four US factories and one in Canada by the end of 2019. This put about 2,800 hourly jobs at risk.
White-collar workers: GM announced in February 2019 that it would cut about 8,000 white-collar jobs in North America, as well as 1,500 contract jobs.
Executive ranks: GM cut its executive ranks by 25%.
During the 2008 financial crisis, General Motors (GM) laid off at least 20,000 - 30,000 US employees as part of a Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization. The bankruptcy was the largest industrial company failure in US history.
Dear "back in my time",
Tens of thousands have been let go over the last few years at GM, not "1000 job losses".
I'm glad your son is doing well and hope it continues.
"Everyone is so - minor these days."
Please do not diminish what people are going through. There is no one-size-fits-all solution to any problem and your "time" in no way has any appearance of what people are going through today. Every economic cycle has it's own rules, challenges, etc. Much has changed and this round may be one of the worst by the time it clicks into 2nd gear. We haven't seen ANYTHING yet.
PS Going overseas - catch up on what is going on in Europe and Asia right now. DEEP recession. It's likely much worse than America right now. Different era, different scenario. The US dollar is crushing the rest of the world. While that might seem great, it's not to the tune of a $36 trillion debt, which is more expensive to service than the annual budget of the Pentagon.
You people make it seem like 1000 job losses is a big thing in todays news. Pump up the volume, and multiply it by five to almost ten, then you'll experience the world in which I lived spanning 20 years, decades in the making. Everyone is so - minor these days. Back in my time, it was almost 5000-10000 job losses each cycle. Wouldn't know a hardship if it bit them in the a-s. Those cycles give you the opportunity to go learn something and to become a professional interviewer like I once was.
Now for you IT folks today, best get hoping. Local to the states, or overseas, you all are about to get some competition. The sh*t they're teaching in schools these days, using the tools available today, get your education and work experience up to date.
My son works for a tier one, brought in as an intern through a skill based work program, working as a background as IT administration and networking as a default path, but also cybersecurity in education as the advanced path, utilizing AI coding as an extension. I understand how each of these fields can be stand alone, but with the introduction of AI, he's been able to combine and produce remarkable results, not necessarily by understanding perhaps code itself, but understanding the results in which they need to accomplish the end result. By default and through figuring things out, he's also learning the code within a multiple fields of discipline, to arrive at the end result.
This is corporate approved today. Unfortunately, this has since displaced, a handful of more costly, and more mature IT people within his own group on site - because he produces results and is a young, ambitious hard worker.
Coined the supervising intern of interns within his own group, his company is looking to bring in more like him aboard, at the expense of those more costly. I've written about this at length, how I heard that companies displace employees at the expense of the youth. But, there are programs that are teaching the youth of today, valuable experience. What they will not learn, is the experiences of the experienced unless shared. So, within the IT field, if you thought things were tough today, I'm offering you a tiny bit of insight of what is still to come. I don't work in IT, but I get to hear all about it daily. Sometimes I don't want to hear about it, but what's a parent to do. I listen, ask questions, engage. I love my kids. They love my interest and interaction.
One example, one intern, is programming a script to complete a certain task. Her assignment has been a half year in the making. My son stated it can be completed in less than two weeks through AI automation, and with the right person involved. I told my son, for the sake of her employment, don't say a word, let her do this. Never target a skeleton crew as a workforce. Corporations always want the least amount of overhead.
Utilize the power of an assist, but don't let that assist put people out of a job. They, people like my son, have power within both learning experience, education, and a tool. I believe it's our power to help educate and direct them, in how to best wield it. We are more alike than not. We all have livelihoods, and want to earn for our families. Don't displace people, because at the end of the day and within a future not too far from today, you will become the displaced.
If you visit reddit/general-motors page, you will see a plethora of posts from IT staff complaining that they haven't found a job yet.
Beyond this, if you have been keeping track, over a half-million software development jobs have been cut in the last few years.
What happened to the demand?
"It actually provides negative productivity."
I'll check back with you in six months.
Except it does everything wrong and needs to be totally rewritten by an experienced programmer.
It actually provides negative productivity.
"Devin writes code like a newbie programmer in Bangalore."
When AI is paired with quantum processors, the AI will have a wicked error correction* capability. Any job function that processes data will be extinct in less than 5 years. One day they will put this tech right into the robot and all of humanity will be redundant. This is what people are funding when they go all in on the magnificent 7.
*Google's quantum AI chip can complete a complex computing challenge in five minutes that would take one of today’s fastest supercomputers 10 septillion years.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/google-makes-quantum-leap-willow-chip-multiverse
Still feeling confident? You are already obsolete. The corporation will catch up with you.
GM needs to cut 10% of the workforce to be more efficient and competitive with Toyota and Hyundai. Time to clean house GM.
Devin writes code like a newbie programmer in Bangalore.
No drama Friday. I'll take it.
What did you notice?
Any chance people get a nasty early Christmas present tomorrow (Friday the thirteenth)?
I noticed some interesting things before and after the various “fireside chats” recently.
Would they dare?
Very old news!