I keep hearing rumors that the cuts hit older workers the hardest, and I’m trying to figure out whether that’s actually happening or if it’s just what I saw in my own circle. If you know someone who was part of the layoffs, a rough age range would help paint a clearer picture.
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@bc The distribution statistics are true. And knowing most of the people who were laid off they were white.
We stopped firing old people around 2020, but now it is ok since Nov '24.
@ba your distribution statistics are so d-mb, classic Simpson's Paradox. Of course T-Mobile and every other company is conscious of age discrimination. Now if you are asian (excluding Indian), straight, white, or a male - HR will automatically filter you below others (someone should
flag this overt discrimination to the EEOC
and DOJ). The same discrimination does happen with layoff, only they mask it - laying off new hire protected classes, but 2x and 3x compensating them during layoffs to protect lawsuits.
@az All the same here, but T-Mobile. In 2023.
@a9 In my layoff all the persons who kept their jobs and those who were laid off under my SVP had their job titles and ages listed and provided to us. Here's the stats from my org:
Average age of the 215 in my org: 50.4
Max age: 75
Min Age: 24
Median: 50.5
Average age of those laid off: 56.5
Max Age:73
Min Age:43
Median: 57.5
So yes, age entered into the discussion then, and will continue going forward.
Not how it works. When you get laid off, because you are an id--t, your severance package will list everyone's age. You will soon realize that you are younger than your average peer.
@az Check. Me too.
Someone made a joke about the criteria for my layoff from T-Mobile in 2022- white male, over 50,Trump voter, former Sprint .i checked all those boxes. Does that still apply now?
Hmm
Age is not a factor... In this round, we're seeing directors and the Region VP. These are high salary cuts and the question now is... Will there be more?
@aa Severance is capped at 10 years/10 paychecks .
20+ years usually gives a better severance. It could be a way for those doing the layoffs to make themselves feel better about it since they get more than someone with less tenure.
I've been a part of these unfortunate layoffs at this company and there is age data in the layoff/severance package. It doesn't specifically say this but it was easy to reverse engineer. I knew there were X number of people with my title and I knew a handful of their ages and found a table in the paperwork that coincided exactly the ages per person that were laid off. This data was present due to the section of the packet that was addressing age discrimination, etc. So it was a table that basically showed me the age of people laid off in that round was diverse. I'm sorry for everyone that was impacted and I encourage everyone to take a beat, be good to yourself, and get back out there the second you are ready to go.
Director+ levels, most likely older workers, but not specifically targeted.
They usually target pay which often is the older workers. I know that was the sole factor when I got cut because someone that was involved in the process flat out told me.