Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Must rename thread title to How it works in ORCL?

Anyone left in CX. I came to know many are fired specially in mgmt. Do we know how many?

How many of s h i t CX mgmt still there?

80% of team has redundancy. Program managers, product managers, Devops, process champions, POCs. Multiple Customer support teams with different titles creating chaos and efficiently speed dialing Dev to resolve the issue even before they have read the customer SR or collected any facts.

After almost a year in CX I pity myself I did not come across such a valuable post. This must be pinned as a warning for people joining CX. Admin??

Hiring friends and family with no skills in clerical job roles and getting monthly kickbacks is a very common pattern going around. No wonder this is bigger than favoritism.

CX has been a dead division since its inception and it was never able to really perform well in markets. It was meant to be a Salesforce ki-ler but it never grew due to it pathetic strategic direction and poor management. All they ever did is copy salesforce yet can't catch up.

CX Ki-led careers for many talented people who believed in the CX management sh.it or are stuck due to personal reasons.

If you are a new to CX, wisely plan your exit as quickly as possible. No hope working in CX in whatever department or function you perform. It is a career ki-ler for all ...

80% of the org is now in India.

Remaining 20% of the org in US are transplants from india to US on H1B\L1B by laying off all US citizens who are not "controllable".

Only folks who can be laid off will be an Indian going forward based on ?????????

Happy Reading.

https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/OALJ/PUBLIC/FOIA/Frequently_Requested_Records/Oracle_2017_OFC_00006/Oracle_2017OFC00006_DOC_156.pdf

Employee 62 was a female manager who was laid off from Oracle. She worked in Product
Development. She received a very small raise while at Oracle. Sometimes pay was
discussed and they were told that there was no money in the budget for raises. Performance reviews did not happen regularly. She was told to hire in India because three Indian workers could be hired for the cost of one US worker. Similarly, visa holders were cheaper to hire than U.S. workers. She was not called derogatory names at work, but previous supervisor told her that it was unacceptable to miss work due to a sick child.

Is state of Texas imposing ban on H1B fraud ? Time to call out the teams and management with 100% H1B doing clerical work in name of high skilled work and ripping off US citizens for years.

I am close to retirement and have loved working here. It has been great as most of the managers are living in previous century and expect the similar project deliverables output. You can get by working 10% of the time and still beat the expectations.

Folks who are noisiest are the ones that have no accountability to deliver anything.

CX plan for this round of layoffs ? CA Warn is already filed.

@3dzy Saleforce is dead as well and has no future

In the age of AI ORCL CX will be dead soon. Salesforce is the future of CX.

Happy New Year.

ICs move faster without management making the wrong calls from afar.
With AI at their side, they decide, build, and fix in the moment.
Bad decisions don’t have to travel across time zones anymore.
The work improves when those closest to it own it.
In the age of AI, fewer layers mean fewer mistakes.

Any word on teams getting impacted on Jan. This round could finally cleanup any US based resources still around.

Great post. Most VPs chilling and want to cash on the golden severance. No one will hire them.

The team is a sitting duck for next round. Proven to be completely redundant. Dropped a long supported project overnight due to hopeless incompetency. Do not waste more resources on this completed inept redundant team.

After RT gone, rest of the mgmt responsible for dire state needs to be flushed.

The teams are incompetent and noisy as he-l. Hope they are flushed down …. In the coming round.

Devops team that need low or no skills and access to customer information should be the last team with H1B sponsorships. This team only has H1Bs in US. All US citizen developers with real coding skills have been kicked out of other US based teams.

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What else can you expect from an CX's all Indian management with no US people.

Prof. RonHira explains how H-1B visas benefit employers and corporations, not American workers.

Employers prefer H-1B workers because they are "controllable", as they are indentured to their employers.

CX doesn't fell like it is a US company anymore and the entire CX mgmt is waste and making it worse everyday.. They are still stuck in 80's -90's where BOSS is always right and they can f u c k you however they want, probably they cant do it at home and the frustration is out on you. They are incompetent in all dept and good for nothing literally.

I have rarely seen any CX manager finding a decent or similar job outside as their incapabilities are widely known outside.

Time to let every one with Manager title go.

Program Manager, Product Manager, Dev Manager, Support Manager, VP Trash Managment etc....

Even when they have no direct reports the title makes them think all the work required from them will be done by someone else (Dev ICs).

@33xa For what it's worth, managers also were riffed. Maybe if you're an executive VP the dejobbing will pass over you.

Layoffs have dealt a crushing blow to ICs, both the laid off and the ones left behind.

Management is unaffected as they excuse themselves from doing any work other than setting more aggressive deadlines for ICs who have picked up the work for the laid offs folks as well.

Time has come to let the management go as there is no value add.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-admin-reveals-over-100-investigations-into-h-1b-abuses-as-it-pledges-every-resource-to-protect-us-jobs

@3362 Looks like his inane posts are still being removed,

VP talks of flattening the org other than their own level and has 2 direct reports to use them as personal concierge.

@335t He's back.

@335
I was getting used to them. Miss them now.

Off topic: I just noticed that all those nonsensical posts that were chock full of emojis have been removed. To whomever is responsible, thank you!

@335g Saw this on the job req:

"Certain US customer or client-facing roles may be required to comply with applicable requirements, such as immunization and occupational health mandates."

Whut?

https://www.jobs.now/jobs/166447953-software-developer-3-ref-307723

"Design, develop, troubleshoot and/or test/QA software. May telecommute."

Is there a single US citizen in the entire country that can do this job ?

"I saw some posts on linked on fresh round of layoffs. How many in CX?"

Only VPs exist in NA. They are layoff proof and guess what they do all day.

I saw some posts on linked on fresh round of layoffs. How many in CX?

According to Fishback, the current hiring practices neglect American workers by obscuring job postings and prioritising foreign workers.

“Here’s the ugly truth: they’re not even looking for Americans. They refuse to interview them. They hide job postings in obscure newspapers to “check the box,” and when no one “applies,” they import another foreign worker—denying yet another qualified American a job, a wage, and the dignity and purpose that come with both. It’s disgraceful. It’s time to finally and fully dismantle the H-1B scam.

Federal law provides protection against discrimination based on citizenship and national origin. U.S. workers who were displaced in favor of H-1B workers can file a complaint with the Department of Labor.

@30tv Fusion CX some QA (white US citizens in our team) are still in the US, but it's a dying breed.