Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

@100

The welfare queen took tens of billions in government subsidies for both Tesla and SpaceX.

that money would go to some other company if not his companies.. nothing is wrong ..

are you seeing what is happening ?? or u stuck in 1990s? please grow up.. its sad you even do not realize u being swallowed ..

I never got a big stock payout but I retired decades early by climbing the ranks quickly while investing heavily and working massive and often paid overtime. Doing 20-40 hours of free work a week for companies that measure productivity by number of keystrokes as the world transitions to AI will likely swallow most in software regardless of immigration status. I'm going to be swallowed when the 15 digit debt in the private as well as public sectors in the US collapses if AI doesn't wipe out everyone first.

What you still can't figure out is even if you deport everyone without US citizenship what's left will feed on itself rather than suddenly become competent. I don't look forward to the only new car on sale in 2030 being a $150,000 exploding Pinto but that's where protectionism leads. Wide open boarders is also guaranteed to be a failure. It appears most don't want to discuss the tradeoffs towards some middle that best serve the country.

@100

He may deserve every penny of your money but not mine.

pls explain ...how..

@zy

I have a masters degree from a US University dum--ss.

how did you get yours?? by cheating ?? you know you are not entitled to steal jobs right???

Please do not blame that guy, imho he deserves every penny of it.

The welfare queen took tens of billions in government subsidies for both Tesla and SpaceX. He may deserve every penny of your money but not mine.

@ze

oh yeah with fake credentials?? if you have real credentials you won't be bragging here.. instead creating trillion dollar companies... right..

I have a masters degree from a US University dum--ss. Didn't I say I came in on a F1 visa. And you don't even know how the F1 or H1b visa works and you are running your mouth here. H1b literally limits what my job profile can be and where/how I work. Even if I want to start a business, I can't. And I am definitely not bragging. Just stating H1b visa is not delivered to me on a silver platter. I have spent countless hours earning it and I won't be bothered by an unintelligent random person on the internet questioning how I got it. Every next day I will be better. All good things take time. Anyway.

This is getting boring and I am gonna stop responding after this. I hope you stay as you are because it will help other deserving people get ahead.

@zr

white, male, straight and from Christian families where each team became its own clique and management above those teams picked their favorites so those on the disfavored teams suffered regardless of contribution. This is why I ended with "regardless of culture or ethnicity"

are you seeing what is happening ?? or u stuck in 1990s? please grow up.. its sad you even do not realize u being swallowed ..

what the f are you saying? if you are not part of the "cliques where not being in the in-group of your management chain yields exactly the same results" ?? are you re--rded ? are you part of higher class ? and see others as lower class?? 25 years ago in USA those people respected my skills and welcomed me with open arms... you id--ts destroyed their trust with fake knowledge and fake credentials .... please grow up!!

You and your 11 sycophants clearly aren't capable of basic reading comprehension. You are definitely Cisco employees.

I worked at companies where everyone on multiple teams on the same program were US born citizens, white, male, straight and from Christian families where each team became its own clique and management above those teams picked their favorites so those on the disfavored teams suffered regardless of contribution. This is why I ended with "regardless of culture or ethnicity" as those teams and their management came from the same culture and had the same ethnicity.

This wasn't even the equivalent of Jane Elliot blue versus brown eyes experiment. This was the equivalent of the science fiction race called the Drazi where everyone reaches into a barrel and pulls out either a green or purple sash then goes to war for a year defending the color of their sash.

@zd

I also came in on F1 visa

oh yeah with fake credentials?? if you have real credentials you won't be bragging here.. instead creating trillion dollar companies... right..

@vn
why? did you create something that would trickle down in trillions ?? please grow up and respect people who create stuff help your economies and humanity...

Why are you mad? We are just following in his footsteps.
https://www.tryalma.com/learn/elon-musk-immigration-story
I also came in on F1 visa and then transitioned to H1b. I will earn trillions and plan to actually trickle it down.

@vn

why? did you create something that would trickle down in trillions ?? please grow up and respect people who create stuff help your economies and humanity...

You use this level of logic/reasoning and wonder why you are not getting jobs? Why do I have to trickle down trillions before pointing out something wrong?

@xg

Technically an Immigrant is hoarding all your money so you are not completely wrong.

thanks Sanders.. all the CEO of MS, Google and others are parasites compared to him. He created all those companies ground up, so he deserves to own most part of it.

@xa the way CSCO hires a contract worker is very different than what you are saying. When a req is opened, finance decides if it needs to be staffed direct or via a consulting firm. Once the req is opened via conaulting firm, CSCO doesnt dictate how that firm hires. CSCO only needs the work done on that job. The consulting firm does the hiring and take their cut of $$ before passing that rest off to the employee. CSCO doesnt say how the consulting firm pays their employee. If it is something like CX, CSCO outsources X amount of TAC cases to a partner company and pays $Y for that amount of case load. It is 100% dependent on that partner to staff however they want. They can hire 5 enginners or 3. CSCO doesnt care as long as CSAT, MTTR and escalation quality is good.

@vn

why? did you create something that would trickle down in trillions ?? please grow up and respect people who create stuff help your economies and humanity...

That doesnt even makes sense. Keep in mind that this is your choice to stay ignorant. Technically an Immigrant is hoarding all your money so you are not completely wrong.

Did you watch The Big Short? At the end, everyone blamed immigrants and not the banks. They got bailouts. It is sad how much humans can be forced to act and believe stuff against their own favor.

H1bs through consulting firms has been used by CSCO & others for many years as smart labor arbitrage. Lower cost workers not on your books. The benefit of an H1b without hiring an employee. Unlike employees consulting contracts can be terminated without WARN notices.

@vm

I am sorry but the trickle down economics is not trickling down.

why? did you create something that would trickle down in trillions ?? please grow up and respect people who create stuff help your economies and humanity...

@td

Please do not blame that guy, imho he deserves every penny of it.

I am sorry but the trickle down economics is not trickling down. You are at the down.

many americans might be a bit higher up the food chain here in their own country if there werent millions of your citizens coming thousands of miles

My team had open positions multiple times. The resumes landing on my desk were mostly from people with higher education. Its just how the filtering software works. Either that or get someone to submit a referal.

and taking jobs as indentured servants willing to work for lesser pay

I am not a servant. Definitely not working for lesser pay. I was a manager for a while and got access to the team's payroll and salary ranges for each role including mine. One thing was consistent. Everyone was sc--wed equally.

while getting handed a free pass to drag your families here as well and also gain citizenship and chain migration in many cases

Yes. The ever prevalant "free pass". Everyone thinks USCIS is just handing visa and citizenship coupons with every Subway order.

@v5 what the f are you saying? if you are not part of the "cliques where not being in the in-group of your management chain yields exactly the same results" ?? are you re--rded ? are you part of higher class ? and see others as lower class?? 25 years ago in USA those people respected my skills and welcomed me with open arms... you id--ts destroyed their trust with fake knowledge and fake credentials .... please grow up!!

Imagine you are a lower/mid(non Brahman/shetty)caste person studied hard and got all good scores and migrated to USA for better life only to end up with some higher class incompetent manager/Dir/VP keep targeting you to blame you for everything and eventually LR'ing you.

Imagine working for most companies in the US which fracture into cliques where not being in the in-group of your management chain yields exactly the same results regardless of culture or ethnicity.

@s4

We now have a trillionaire

Please do not blame that guy, imho he deserves every penny of it.

Even we hate the caste system.

that is the point i am making, people bring caste system to corporate America just to make their caste people keep climbing the ladder and suppress their own fellow country talented people, pure evil (forget about USA/Europe people). Imagine you are a lower/mid(non Brahman/shetty)caste person studied hard and got all good scores and migrated to USA for better life only to end up with some higher class incompetent manager/Dir/VP keep targeting you to blame you for everything and eventually LR'ing you. All these higher class people are parasites and do nothing but play politics at work place. Its like little india inside corporate america.

third person's greed.

all humans are greedy, no matter which country one belongs to. Important thing is to have proper policies (in this case legal immigration) in place to protect american people that are being abused and scammed.

@s4
Thats good you dont agree with your own caste system but the fact is we should NEVER have to see or deal with it here in the USA.
As for us both being at the bottom of the food chain the fact is many americans might be a bit higher up the food chain here in their own country if there werent millions of your citizens coming thousands of miles and taking jobs as indentured servants willing to work for lesser pay while getting handed a free pass to drag your families here as well and also gain citizenship and chain migration in many cases.

@m6 Even we hate the caste system. As for "fixing our own country". Easier said than done. Remember this basic thing. You are I are at the bottom of the food chain in this. People at top survive/thrive on how much we blame each other for problems created by a third person's greed.
In none of these scenarios, you and I are getting richer. We now have a trillionaire, a person who takes space trips while we cant even afford trips to another state.

Why would it be the workers? If you have two offer letters where one is direct with a company for role X with benefits, and other with a different company but via a consulting firm for similar role but benefits are not as good, pay is not great because consulting firm is taking their cut. Which woyld you chose?

I have first hand seen how much conaulting firms are getting paid for peoviding a skilled employee and the employee gets paid peanuts. We alao found a excel sheet at my wife's job sharepoint page because a manager shared it companywide accidentally. Consulting firm was getting paid $210k and employee salary was $128 + 10% bonus bracket based on performance.

the super geniuses could make millions if they can scientifically figure out a way to clean all the garbage and sewage from every river in their own country. Or al least stop bathing in and drinking it. Too bad they are too busy getting rich off our society thanks to lousy policies which I hope all get reversed as the country goes further down the toilet bowl.

@m5

You do everything to get out of staying poor.

Just cheat and migrate to USA is the answer? fix your own damn country, you got all the genuinely specialized skills right. Instead people migrate USA/Europe and build temples, huge statues of their gods and do festival parades almost na--d etc. More over brings their caste system to corporate offices to favor their caste folk to climb the ladder etc..

@gy economy for an individual, not the whole country. Read between the lines. Same concept for Americans, had they were burned with poorer family. You do everything to get out of staying poor. Countries and immigrants policies is for those seeing talents and outsourcing companies to exploit these individuals.

do you know those are eligible to work from day one right?

It's of no relevance to the conversation.

actually it is, they all use CPT/OPT to get a jobs and apply for H1B as long as it takes and as many companies it takes. They may or may not finish their PhDs.

any way, i think this thread will be censored soon.

India condemns JD Vance's remarks about H-1B workers as “deeply offensive”
x.com/Polymarket/status/2109415675252863425

...80 of its 82...

Well that scales completely linearly to a population of approximately 350,000,000! /s

You are definitely a Cisco employee.

do you know those are eligible to work from day one right?

It's of no relevance to the conversation. People here are whining that foreign universities aren't as rigorous as ours and yet more than a third of people getting through US PhD programs are still technically transient foreigners.

I also noticed no one addressed @ey's reference to half the Nobel prizes earned in the US in 2025 going to immigrants. For all the commentary in this thread about "we don't want to compete against others on our home turf" no one wants to confront why we aren't competitive on our own home turf.

Have you ever came across that many super geniuses in real life

I worked with exactly one super genius, and he was not born in the US. I know he was a super genius because he repeatedly bested entire industries of PhDs in an assortment of technologies over his career demonstrating world class breadth and depth. I doubt I'll be blessed enough to ever work with a second one.

Having a PhD isn't a measure of being a genius. On the other hand, being a Technical Leader or Principal Engineer in software at Cisco who can't write a function to deterministically remove an element from a data structure is a solid measure that those people are id--ts. Don't bother trying to make noise about the job requiring higher level engineering skills because most at Cisco never had those either and it's cost Cisco and its customers dearly.

or at least at cisco?

I never worked with a competent manager/director/VP/SrVP at Cisco. Most of the software staff is objectively worse than deadwood in that on average for every hour they "work" they produce a bug load so great each takes many hours to work around. I can't say "fix" because a lot of bugs end up in terminal states repeatedly without actually being fixed. Obviously there are some world class hardware engineers who are extremely bright but I'm not sure any I worked with are true geniuses.

Genius if it has no opportunity or drive is worthless, and most work doesn't require genius. What merely good work requires is more rare than most either know or are willing to admit.

@gs

This is a simple issue of economy.

not really, its about country legal immigration policies, OPT, CPT etc. People are finding ways to cheat system, if you look around cisco and see who is getting promoted up the ladder and how, do you think those leaders are really super talented? if so we should see cisco market cap in multi-trillions by now, because cisco sponsored so many visas and green cards over the past two decades. If its just about economy, those genuinely specialized skills people have can improve their own countries(💩) economies without migrating to USA, they have all the skills they need right 😉?

there is absolutely no reason a Project Manager job or any type of leadership role should be filled by a h1b visa holder yet it's everywhere at Cisco

This is a simple issue of economy. People come from poor countries and with meager family means to advance and move up the ladder. At least that’s the desire and goal.

Those who are able to, are further exploited by outsourcing companies to lure a carrot and move to USA for a better living and economic safety, making billions for themselves. This includes companies like Microsoft that is now banned from PERM program.

Follow the money, the problem seems easy to understand. Companies like Cisco doing what is best for shareholders at the cost of American citizens and saving money.

@ey

Do some digging and you'll find that 34% of people getting PhDs in the US are on temporary visas

do you know those are eligible to work from day one right? that is how they are scaming the system to get into US and steal jobs. Have you ever came across that many super geniuses in real life? or at least at cisco?

@f5 university of phoenix and southern new Hampshire university is a fake degree

Lets not pretend this is due to a lack of US graduates in PHD programs and Tech Degrees.

The Department of Labor’s inspector general has demanded hiring data from Rochester General Hospital in western New York state following viral that 80 of its 82 recent medical residency slots have been filled by to foreign workers on visas, rather than American applicants.

A DEGREE IN INDIA CAN BE BOUGHT IN 3 DAYS!

Systemic Rackets across India are selling the same degree, without a single class attended.

📌 Rajasthan (2024): 43,000+ fake degrees issued from a single university.
📌 Delhi (Nov 2023): 2 arrested for running a fake degree network with 2,000+ forged certificates sold.
📌 Hyderabad (2022): A gang sold BTech/BSc degrees for ₹1.5-3.4 lakh.

But 90% of the money reportedly went to university insiders who made the fraud possible.

Wake up, you rarely see a Nobel prize winner from those areas despite of half of the world population being covered by these countries.

Look up the Forbes article titled "Half Of The 2025 U.S. Nobel Prize Winners In Science Are Immigrants."

Do some digging and you'll find that 34% of people getting PhDs in the US are on temporary visas and of the rest an unspecified percentage of PhDs are non-citizen permanent residents.

Let's be honest. There are a lot of citizens in the US who could have earned a PhD but for the average bear it's not the path to riches in STEM and it can carry significant additional risks.

OP, no.

The issue is having no morals. The employer could care less about firing or not hiring citizens and college grads here as long as they get cheap workers which is financial decision and also contempt for their own country. The H1Bs could care less about displacing citizens of jobs as long as they can get over on the system. I for one would be to ashamed to live in their society if I was doing the same I would hang my head in shame and expect to be looked at with disgust.

@OP

Supporters argue that plenty of H1B workers have genuinely specialized skills and are difficult to replace.

Most of those argue like that are politicians, I have not see any genuinely specialized skilled H1B that is hired in cisco for the past 25years, most of them do not even know how to operate a computer, we have train them how to use computer along with job training.