Why doesn't EM post internal job vacancies and let employees to apply instead of supervisors decide your move. The position should be filled with most suitable and competent person with internal interview.
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@1vcs+1kBrJqbz Is wrong. Supervisors care they just can’t do anything about the system that is in place. You think supervisors like the assessment system? You think they decide on payroll budgets or budget cuts? You think they have control? Grow up.
Having worked places with internal job postings what I would tell you is it is no different. You can still use your network at EM to find your next job. You think interna postings don’t work the same way. It is who not what you know. At EM and everywhere else. Anyone who tells you otherwise is naive.
Having worked at a different company that did have internal job postings if you think this will result in "the most suitable and competent" being chosen you are naive. Learn to play the game. It exists everywhere at every company.
I worked for a company with job postings. Job postings actually gave each of us a feeling of more control of our careers.
It was not a lottery. There were controls. Qualifications had to be met. Candidates had to be available. There would be interviews of the top few candidates if the candidates not known to job posting position owner.
Sometimes employees would receive advice from a manager to look at next week’s postings and apply for a certain position.
Seeing the open positions really gave an indication of what the company was doing. From PM and PE positions to Admins and Corp Jet repair tech.
The closest thing EM has is the announcements, which is just a trailing indicator of what management career move decisions were alread made / list of jobs I had no chance to apply for.
XOM folks in resourcing have an abundance of reasons, but here’s what I think happens: without any postings, there are no need for qualifications. Project failed? Not because 3-4 managers cycled through during execution. Nah, it’s because of the team. Wait - who was on it again? Why? Everyone at that company, including id--ts that post on LI about leadership trash points, are all shuffled around to avoid accountability. That’s all it is. Remove any ability to properly source, enforce non-sense kpis, and shuffle around to avoid trouble.
Oh - and successes like Guyana? Dragged into the opportunity. STPs that had no part to play go on talking tours. Brazil? Ah, who ran that anyway?
EM operate with 1950 style of management. Back then, companies hire for life and worker’s put their careers/ life in the hands of seasoned company managers who told workers what to do and who they should be when they grow up. Those were not knowledge worker, they were more laborers waiting for next set of instructions. There is little choice in terms of job assignments. In exchange, the company provide job and financial security.
Most of the industry and US companies have internal job postings. It's a great system for employees to explore and initiate career discussions. Management has control over minimum durations and final approvals. EM quasi-military way is outdated and stupid and getting worse. Has been for a long time.
So if it’s bad for management to have control of how they manage their company, who should have control?
Of course people will put those they like into higher/better/promote positions.
Right or wrong does anyone honestly think intelligence/skill/ability is how the world works 100%?
The world is about relationships - and without wanting to offend anyone (cue downvotes) - and right or wrong, like it or not, that is how humans interact with each other. We are not insects functioning 100% from pheromones etc. ge-z.
@OP In part it’s because they’re trying to fill them with external candidates.
I interviewed for a role with EMTEC that’s been open for a while (as in two years). It was the least friendly interview experience I’ve ever had. It started off with them demanding that I turn on my camera (I declined), and then followed with a bunch of d-mb questions where all of the answers were “rules of thumb”. I got the impression that the person running the interview held a job title well above their talents. I also got the impression that they’ve been conducting interviews just to keep disqualifying canadidates so they can justify outsourcing/offshoring the role.
Simply put, knowledge (in this case knowing about job openings) is kept in the hands of the managers so that they can wield their control over everyone’s careers. This prevents potential escapees from ratting them out about their miserable, sycophantic behaviors.
BWAH HA HA HA! Employees having input to their next assignment! LOL That is hilarious!
My brother worked for Chevron. Most (not all) of his new assignments were positions he applied for internally. Usually he put in for a job that was a level higher than his current position. Worked out pretty well for him.
Mobil had job postings.
Some positions had preferred candidates but many were truly open positions.
EXXON management shut that job posting system down at the merger.
Former shell employee here. It is called MOR (managed open resourcing) because is managed by supervisors. Most of job postings have preferred candidates. Politics and who you know will decide which is your next position. If you happen to land a bad job, they will keep you until your window opens.
Supervisors don't give a fk about you or your career.
This is the problem.
EM front line managers are r3tarded zombies.
Management wants control of everything! Remember, they think the worker-bees are stupid and greedy.
Most suitable and competent never happen in Annandale. So corrupt
How was it? Fair? Or still rigged?
Mobil had an internal job posting system.
I would like to hear someone from Shell comment about whether job postings are really a game changer?
I suspect job postings give the illusion of the employees having control. But, at the end of the day, the hiring manager still selects their intended candidate.