GM employs 157,000 workers globally. Of the 98,000 in the U.S., 53,000 are salaried and 45,000 are hourly.
Ford employs 183,000 workers worldwide. Of the 86,000 employees in the U.S., 30,000 are salaried and 56,000 are hourly.
GM employees 23,000 fewer salaried people, and most of GM’s employees (98,000) are in the US. Ford employs 86,000 in US, but 97,000 OUTSIDE US.
LET THAT SINK IN IF YOU THINK YOUR SALARY JOB IN THE US IS SAFE.
For all of you singing the praises of GM, you should really read their board on this site. There seem to be just as many disgruntled people ranting about Mary's incompetence and other GM problems.
GM completely shut down their European operations (including the sale of Vauxhal and Opel). It's not like they didn't outsource any US jobs. They just got rid of one region so now they basically have US and China employees. Ford is and has always been more global with Europe, South America, Australia, China, India, etc. If Ford fired the EU and SA staffs, it wouldn't make your life any better, but it would certainly change the numbers.
Yes, Ford has outsourced plenty of jobs (HR & IT in particular), but the numbers you cite don't tell the story on that.
Exactly @1fha+1fjxYP0j ! And now they are creating rebadged high skills positions with salary cap of double GSR8. There was politics around how many of these rebadged positions each area received. There was no interview for the positions, all happened behind closed doors and for the most part was not based on skill / knowledge / contributions. A coworker told me he was selected and his salary would be doubled. He was also told he was the only one under LL5 to get the position, and he was instructed not to tell others. I congratulated him, he is a nice guy, but honestly his primary skill set is Ford politics.
SMH our three LL6 tech spec were SRD. I know their salaries were in the 150s, which is alot less than the rebadged positions. The selected coworker was making 120 before his position was rebadged. The tech spec were underpaid at Ford, their salaries post Ford are 280, 187 and 175.
Ford as always is penny wise and pound foolish.
The rebadged positions are just another way for leadership to reward friends and family.
@1mkv+1fjxYP0j "tech career path at fomoco is one big dead end."
Agree! There is no tech career at FMC anymore. There was a time when the best people competed to get those nice LL6 tech positions. After all those LL6s were SRDed, because allegedly those positions were eliminated, (and refilled just a couple of months later with the friends and family plan), after all those Top Achievers were kicked out because they had higher salaries, I noticed how the performance and productivity went down in my area. Moral is down and nobody is trying to compete anymore, or work hard. People are just expecting for the hammer to drop, or leaving the company.
agree with @1dtc+1fjxYP0j ... tech career path at fomoco is one big dead end. if you are not in control of budget and headcount, you are a second class citizen, if that. beware, FCGs and other tech new hires.... as captn kirk once said, "it's a traaaaap"!
Ford has zero common sense when it comes to hiring and retaining quality talent.
I lost count of the number of committees have been formed over the decades around hiring and retaining talent. In every committee the workers had the same top three recommendations
The message to the committee was always the same. Thank you for your suggestions. Our pay scale is competitive and we will remain a Michigan centric company.
Meanwhile GM listened to their employees and has a competitive advantage because they allow work from any of their remote offices, have a tech career path, and call the chair warmers.
Source for these numbers: today’s Detroit Free Press. Page 6a.
Ford has 26,000 more employees globally than GM (183,000 vs 157,000),
Ford has less US based employees (86,000 vs 98,000).
GM has 23,000 more SALARY employees IN THE INITED STATES than Ford (53,000 vs 30,000).
So, GM supports American employees, Ford not so much.
we need more DEI
Something to ponder. It is universally understood that Ford quality and new product launches are in the cellar. Awful. Worst of the worst. GM, is not.
Now, yes the UAW at Ford plants is responsible for some of that. Some. Suppliers are responsible for another chunk of that. But the bulk of it from what I see is purely bad design, bad engineering, and bad testing/proveout. Which fault sits right on Ford PD and Ford PD management. I've seen it just way too often. Lousy engineers. Lazy engineers. Bully managers. Horrible HR methods. DEI run amok. All the types of salaried folk that have been described many times on this forum.
By that alone, GM should be getting better bonuses than us and rightfully so. I hate saying it (because I think GM vehicles are not all that), but need to face the facts.
Both, besides you can’t allow a coherent story, logic or facts get in the way of a pointless rant fest….. LOL
Your math or your story don't add up OP.
Ford is so fat at the top. How many VP’s and Executive Directors do we need? Trim the fat? There it is.
Wait... GM has 23,000 MORE salaried employees.
I think this thread has hit on the common denominator. How Bill has been unscathed through the decades of bad and terrible management decisions is beyond me. They got lucky and Mulally took their offer for a few years. But through Nassar, Hackett and the rest, Bill was/is the one constant.
You have to do the math. Just like Ford ownership and the Lions. When all of your leaders/GMs/coaches fail, you have to look at the constants for the real answer.
What does Billy do to earn a bonus? Come on man! Let me enumerate a just couple ways. He bought a mighty fine train station for a song. He gives outstanding finger waging lectures on privilege all while living the life of one of the most privileged people on Earth. He bought a bunch of Ford stock via half price options and crows like he did an open market purchase. Maintaining that level of hypocrisy isn't easy folks.
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Ford needs those additional 23,000 salary people, they are our LL5+ ranks who do nothing but collect excessive paychecks. What does Bill Ford do to “earn” ANY bonus?