At the end of the day I expect more people will be terminated for creating a toxic workplace, violating protected medical information, violating ADA and EEOC based laws and regulations ... than the unvaxxed.
I've also seen the comments made to those who medically can't get the shot (or a second one). I've screen captured those comments and kept all communications.
Discovery is going to be magnificent.
At the end of the day there are about a dozen disgruntled nutjobs whining on an obscure shitposting board about how unfair it is that the world is moving on without them.
Such is life.
If you really believe "help is coming" I guess you're the "thoughts and prayers" kind of person. The only thing coming to you is unemployment and bitterness. But hey look at the bright side of things: it'll give you plenty of time to study law!
"As I said, kindergarten law here."
Yes, you have made it crystal clear that you don't have even the slightest grasp of law.
Your comments about the first amendment had me laughing. No clue at all. None. Obviously you are a low IQ individual, a kid trolling or a non American citizen that doesn't understand our legal system. I hope you aren't being paid by the company. Buh bye.
People, don't give up your freedoms and your rights. Don't be manipulated into doing what you consider wrong and don't bend to unlawful mandates and coercion.
Help is coming.
As I said, kindergarten law here. People who go on about suing all the time have never sat in an office (except when their wife was divorcing them) paying $700 per hour to talk to an id--t in a suit that’s half your age.
It's sad that so few people understand the very basics of Constitutional law.
Yes, you can be fired for what you say.
Yes, you can be sued for various types of content.
Yes, you can even be criminally charged for some forms of "speech."
Here is a primer: https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/primers/basics/
/You don't know the first thing about the first amendment.
You can google this yourself and see how wrong you are. The first amendment protects political speech from government sanction. Why do you think fb, twitter and so forth can censor users? You don't know what you're talking about. Please stop, you're embarrassing yourself. And Dork? Are you 14 years old?
@1wxu+1dKsX2z0 gee quit watching Judge Judy already. You don't know the first thing about the first amendment. Seriously, go read it. Then take your paranoia meds because nobody is threatening you, you dork. People are telling you suing Cisco isn't probably going to play in your favor. But hey suit yourself and sue till you run out of cash.
Free speech is about free political speech and it is directed at government intrusion. Duh. OP who claimed that they could write or say whatever they want is clueless. It doesn't work that way.
"There's nothing illegal or intimidating here and even if there was, it's free speech."
How familiar are you with court cases that delve into the area of intimidation versus free speech?
If the company is paying people to coerce people via hostile and degrading language as well as using discriminatory statements, would the company face any potential legal risk? If no in your opinion, are you 100% sure? Have you considered potential for your individual liability?
"No lawsuit is going to be fruitful, you're just going to waste lots of money for nothing. "
How would you know? Why are you persisting in manipulating people into giving up their rights for legal redress? Why are you against people seeking legal avenues to deal with issues of basic human rights?
"then that's not intimidation"
How familiar are you with the many court cases that have dealt with threatening comments on "anonymous" message boards?
A lot of very naive people here. There's nothing illegal or intimidating here and even if there was, it's free speech. Deal with it. I bet quite a few proclaiming their rights are abused do believe the US election was rigged. Get a grip. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. No lawsuit is going to be fruitful, you're just going to waste lots of money for nothing. But again even if someone here was writing "don't sue Cisco else I'm gonna find you and make your life miserable" then that's not intimidation. It's an anonymous opinion on an anonymous board. It isn't directed at you and it isn't something expressed between colleagues while at work between. Grow up, accept that the vast majority of people are vaccinated. That's a fact whether you like it or not. You've heard the orange imbecile pronounce "fake news" so often you believe it. As for me personally I don't care if you aren't vaxxed, I believe in freedom of choice. Unlike some here though, I accept the consequences of my choices. You want to sue, go right ahead. Let me already say "I told you so".
"I feel as if there is intimidation to get people to get the shots AND to give up their rights. Seems like some of it is even occurring here."
Bingo. Ever heard misery loves company? There are numerous people who subconsciously regret getting the jab. So they want you to make the same mistake so we can all potentially suffer together. Now there are plenty of actual good people out there who have taken the vaccine and have told me don't do it.
You just have to ignore the ones who are trying to intimidate us into getting the jab. They are more than likely all-around miserable people.
One last thing. If you are willing to lose your job to stand up for your rights, you are strong enough to land on your feet. The sheep that are complying and trying to intimidate you are weak and would not be able to recover from something like this. They know they are weak.
I'll work at McDonald's before I give up my rights and freedoms.
Goodnight
@enf+1dKsX2z0 Why are you trying to harass people into not seeking legal advice?
Good try keeping us from filing. Not going to work.
Wow - kindergarten law school here people. Some of the toddlers here seem to have been watching too much Judge Judy.
I think I need to talk to a lawyer about everything that is going on.
And when you go to talk to your shark lawyer, don’t forget to take a cheque for $5,000 that they demand before they will even show you to a conference room.
I feel as if there is intimidation to get people to get the shots AND to give up their rights. Seems like some of it is even occurring here.
Perhaps someone with far more legal knowledge than I have can say if this stuff is illegal. I think I need to talk to a lawyer about everything that is going on.
Almost everyone will get the vaccine and a very small percentage will get an exemption. A very small group will get the vaccine while on leave. For the sales org new quotas go out the first of Feb. so those on leave will not get a goal sheet. That closes the door for them without saying it explicitly.
/Lawsuits will lead to nothing except loss of money and effort.
Good try keeping us from filing. Not going to work.
At the end of the day lot of talk and complaining. And most will take the vaccine before the deadline. Those who don't at first, will miss a few paychecks before they do. Those that do not at all, will miss several paychecks, and maybe return when mandate is over because covid died down, or will move onto another company. Lawsuits will lead to nothing except loss of money and effort.
"everything that was exchanged is stored somewhere"
No kidding. I'm well aware of how all how this works. You need evidence prior to getting legal involved and before discovery. If you walked into an EEOC office without anything you won't get far. If you use a private attorney, they won't take the case without something first.
I have what I need.
The magnificence of discovery will be the exposure of all the private chats that were b/w individuals including ELT and their teams. I have no doubt at all that some very damning messages are available for discovery to uncover.
Oh you mean the internal chat during the Q&A. There's no need to take screenshots, everything that was exchanged is stored somewhere. If you look back at the "BLM! No, ALM" debacle, I imagine HR is on top of this already. I agree that many folks crossed a thick line that day. I'm vaxxed and I don't care if you aren't. It's your choice. I'm supposed to be protected. And if I'm not, then the vaccine is rubbish and we're all in the same boat.
"This site isn't Cisco's property. "
I wasn't referring to this site genius.
@OP+1dKsX2z0 "discovery is going to be magnificent"
This site isn't Cisco's property. People post anonymously. The smarter ones probably even use ToR or some other proxy. Anyway, I guess you believe in free speech, right? I wonder who you think is going to discover anything, when exactly, and to what goal? Picture this: "Mr Lawyer, someone anonymous wrote on some random forum that I should just leave Cisco because I'm not going to get vaccinated! I have an issue with that, it creates a toxic workplace". Doesn't hold much water now does it?