Even with the RTO , I will continue to work hybrid. What’s the worst they can do?
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I work in IT and I’ll let all the cry babies in on a little secret. For the ones thinking they are going to not follow the RTW directives.
- Physical badge scans are easy to pull
- We can tell if you are onsite or VPN very easily.
Good luck.
Same thing at our site- there’s been a few req’s that were opened and the resignations have begun.
What a time we are in.
I don't know about the other locations but, here in Clifton NJ people have been hired to do the same jobs others are doing remotely. they are on site cross training and some have been here for months. this company may be a sh---y place but the people that are running it are not stupid. they planned for this a long time ago. and, the word is, if people refusing to return to work are let go, it would soften the blow of rifs coming.
tick tick tick just 2 weeks to go. tick tick tick the clock is ticking. all of this tough talk about digging in and staying home. the company will forget you long before you forget them. months, even years from now you'll be talking cr-p about the company that let you go. they will forget you before the door hits you in the a-s. tick tick tick your former colleagues, even if they remember you will be laughing at your memory. tick tick tick
@6jkd+1u5zwkjp I believe it varies state-to-state. In my state, being terminated for cause (in this case it would be job abandonment) means no unemployment.
Fired and unemployment, that is a LIE! You can draw unemployment after being fired. I know. I did it. You can also draw unemployment after quitting, done that too. You just apply and when they ask circumstances, you tell them.
And NEVER put L3 on your resume once you leave. Big mistake, other companies already know what L3 is!!!
Sorry. Meant to say those classified as HYBRID in SAP/HRIS. Can't edit posts here.
@5kcu+1u5zwkjp they don't turn it off for everyone, just those classified as remote in SAP/HRIS and identified by management/HR as refusing to return to the office. Pretty easy, and quick, to do.
@5kcu+1u5zwkjp, or what? Come to work in Clifton where we can talk face to face.
For those of you that call hybrid or remote workers “losers” need to watch yourself, your attitude will get you nowhere!! They can not turn off vpn for everyone as there are many remote workers who are nowhere near an office and L3H hired them as remote so shut your trap about those “losers” as you call them, you sound like a spoiled brat
if the thought of returning to the office keeps you awake at night, have mommy come down the basement stairs and sing you a lullaby before you go to bed and everything will be all right.
kind of hard to work if the VPN is shut down. of course I will leave it open long enough to fire you, remotely. then you can log on to the unemployment benefits website to find out you are not eligible because you refused to show up for work. the point is, you can dig in your heels and make a stand all you want. at the end of the day no one will give a cr-p. you'll still be on the outside looking in at the place where you used to work. remotely of course.
The VPN will be shut down. You can stay home all you want talking trash on social media about how much you showed them how you stood your ground . Have you thought about that?
Losers 😂
If you can't get yourself to an office location, then start looking for a new job while you still have a job. Getting a job these days is going to take some time even if you are a highly qualified person. Many companies are laying off workers and have a hiring freeze, so it will be a little more difficult then before.
@1wwr+1u5zwkjp is spot on- one of the people let go at our segment was an absolute workhorse but made a reasonable and realistic mistake.
Ordinarily they would’ve been given a warning, but because of the RIFs and cost pressures corporately, our HR decided to just fire the person instead (no first-time warning, no employee questioning) because of a by-the-book following of “policy”. The specific reason was so jacked up and they did not do anything wrong morally/ethically. We felt so awful and the programs affected by HR’s decision are not doing well.
Even our prior manager who left management for doing individual contributor work because of all the corporate bull sh-t, thought it was complete horse sh-t to let go of key teammates in that manner.
Needless to say, a good number of our hybrid teammates that are heavy contributors are looking to jump ship next month. One of my teammates is fully remote and feels very insecure about their job as well.
Remember, if you get Fired, you can NOT collect unemployment since the company will report you as being fired. Only if you get laid off, you can collect unemployment. Look it up on google for your state.
It's a simple choice:
- want to keep your job then return to office.
- want to be laid off then continue working remotely or hybrid.
Most companies are getting their employees back in the office and those still working remotely or hybrid are given a warning and then being laid off if they don't return.
Everybody knows half the IMS senior leaders work remote. Likely the same story in others segments. If the leaders aren’t 100 percent on site, RTO is unenforceable.
The IT employees who were laid off terminated the VPN.
I bet they will turn off vpn for RTW employees
It doesn't matter what your manager says to you about working remotely, hybrid, or anything else. As an employee, you are responsible for following the policy of the company. You have the corporate policy available to you, and you know how to read it. If you have questions, call Human Resources. When it comes to cutting employees, Human Resources and Legal team will only refer you back to the corporate policy as a reason for you being laid off. No one will care what your manager, your director, your executive says to you verbally or in writing. Corporate policy is all that matters in these times of cost cutting measures.
you guys need to be careful and keep what your manager said on the down low if they are permitting you to stay hybrid, because the formal corporate policy is still RTO no exceptions.
Your managers will get in trouble, as stupid as that sounds.
If your manager is like mine and they said to continue your same schedule then yep.
I’d ask your manager what the best course of action is before just doing what you please. And as always, keep a record of what your manager says!
Better if you leave and find a hybrid / remote role for your experience. It's a tough job market right now. You might be out of work for 6-12+ months.
when they fire you on the spot, your health insurance will stop midnight that day. and your pay will stop the moment they escorted you out. it will go on your employment record that you were fired for insubordination. if you want to drag that ball and chain around you looking for a job be my guest.
If you don't show up to work, and don't call in, it is considered "job abandonment" in most states. No severance because you basically quit your job.
If they really wanted to get people to bail, the easiest way is daily standups at 7am, due dates for everything, mandate a schedule and force people to badge in and out, failure to do so is an admission of guilt.
Create a rigid, highly accountable environment like you would appreciate in staff if you were a proprietor, that is what corrective action looks like and this place needs a good cleanout top down. It is all sentiment rather than hard metrics guiding them.
Oh I don’t know… perhaps, lay you off. Though I did want to ask if they have a way to figure out if you’re in office or not? Swipes?
Some people are "full time remote" and therefore claim to be exempt.
Your mileage (or in this case, their mileage) may vary.
That remote/hybrid is a cornucopia of productivity. I never knew why so many people were "in a call" until I figured out that you can just create a teams meeting with yourself with no audio and you always look busy and it never logs you off or locks the machine. It does show you in a call even though your schedule is completely empty. Looks to be a popular "tool" amongst the management crowd for sure. You can change the status to something else but it eventually resets to in a call so unless you sit there all day, which they don't, it will ultimately revert.
FAFO. Good luck with the hunger strike.