Thread regarding Ford layoffs

@6nlz+1jBh9ps6 You mean our #1 overall best selling vehicle of all time truck? That one? Not high enough quality for you? Don't get me wrong, we have a problem with recalls and warranty maintenance. Need to work on that. But we build great products. And the customer recognizes that.

@6tox - how about "going down swinging" being about getting our ICE trucks back up to decent quality instead of throwing money at an entirely new approach which is not being embraced by the majority of the North American market.

@4wnu+1jBh9ps6 Maybe you feel that ford can't compete. And maybe it can't. But wouldn't you rather go down swinging? Sometimes all you need to do is try, and you can surprise yourself.

@4yqe Ford has proven it is unable to compete in the ICE sedan, ICE compact vehicles, ICE minivans etc. Given that Ford had 100+ ICE experience, thinking they will be able to compete in EV space is a pipe dream.

Regarding some of the comments on costs.

If you have access to an L2 charger at least one day a week for 3/4 hours, you are good. A single apartment can share L2 chargers, you don't need to charge it every day.

I even had an L1 charger, so I would rapid charge if I couldn't keep up maybe once every 2 weeks.

The real issue that Ford (and others) have is that they cannot compete on the cost to build with tesla. I'm not saying every car will be a tesla. What I'm saying is that other automakers (can you say chinese brands) are going to figure this out. And when they do, the U.S. will be flooded with cheap, high quality electric cars. And then your choice will be a 40k gas powered edge, or a 19k Chinese electric SUV. Guess what most people are going to pick.

This is the threat that is coming. You guys need to get your Sh*t together otherwise no one will have a job.

EV's are an inslavement , just like climate change (it the weather man). I want to be free to travel and gas up in a few minuets. If electric is soooo good why are incentives needed?

If we could go back to the horse and buggy, nobody would need a chargers or gas!

@2bba+1jBh9ps6. Your EV sales pitch is sad. Digital services and apps do not require an EV, even if consumers were interested in such things. Is causing a market increase in the price of electricity when EVs are adopted in large numbers - impacting not just the cost of transportation, but basic household power needs, desirable? Is sustainability defined by making the poor and middle class less mobile?

Having the government offer a rebate to sell a product says it all.

The improvement that EV's provide for the common or any person for that matter is sustainable transportation with minimal impact to the environment. Then add in the fantastic digital services and apps, well, the future is now.

Current target of EV's is more like the upscale Model B or Model K vs the much more affordable & reliable T that came several years later after the fueling infrastructure had more time to develop.

The gov't wasn't subsidizing product development then, nor should it be now. Socialized risk, private gain is most definitely immoral.

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Were federal taxpayers handing over tax dollars to Henry Ford for producing the Model T? No, they weren’t, and should not be today for EVs.

@2bxi+1jBh9ps6. The model T was a big improvement in transportation for common people. What improvement does an EV provide, especially for the price, that would lead the comman man to purchase one?

Did Henry Ford wait for enough gas stations and highways to be built before cranking out the Model T?

@lco All your charging isn't done at home. Many people do not have a garage or driveway to park their car and charge it. Even those that do might have a teenage driver with a car parked at the curb. And a net time savings? Plugging in every day vs a 5 minute stop on my way once a week - it's a wash at best. Then when I want to head to a college football game and do some tailgating on the weekend, I am glad I have a gas vehicle.

What or who are we saving the planet for again? The next generation who don't care for work anyway. So they can zoom around in BEVs charged with carbon based electricity generation to the closest coffee shop and bun accessories stores?

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Unless you're in the fringes of daily use, all of your charging is done at home. It's a net time savings vs going to the gas station every week with an ICE vehicle.

Your hypothetical also doesn't make much sense. If you are low on range you would charge while in Target the first time.

You are 100% sane. Everyone else is frickun nuts!