Instead of laying off Engineering every quarter, why not develop better hiring practices?
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It’s not the hiring, it’s the failed leadership, both technical and managerial, which takes people who in some cases were once good and lobotomizes them and part of the lobotomy is the removal of any ability to know how bad they’ve become.
How many old people whining about mass layoffs know of Neutron Jack (one of John Chamber’s idols) who silently tossed 100,000 employees in the 1980s and that lifetime employment died that early in your career? For those that didn’t, how did this elude you for so long?
Post ID: @4gbd+1aXmTyog you are full of sh-t.
First, _my_ question was about what being conservative had to do with the 45+/W grouping that someone made. How do recruiters or hiring managers know if you're conservative, liberal or independent?
It's a definite fact that companies are targeting older workers with lots of experience. We're either over qualified or too expensive and they'd rather hire people who are more middle-of-career than end of career because their experience is good enough and their cost (in wages) is cheaper and they'll (hopefully) be around longer to prevent having to backfill an older candidate when they retire in 5 years or so. My only comment about white men finding it harder to compete is that companies are trying to "diversify" and are giving every other category other than white men preference. If they bother to interview you, and you are the best candidate, they may hire you unless they're really not diverse and need diversity over qualifications.
Why did you have to make it "personal"? Suddenly it's all we and you. While I've found the number of recruiters that contact me from finding my LinkedIn profile has decreased as I've gotten older, there are still those that do. And, the number of companies who request an interview after being submitted has also decreased with time. But, to prove your point wrong, after interviewing, I almost always get a job offer because I do know how to work with people who don't look or sound like me, I am competent and bring a lot to the business.
I usually solve/fix the problem I was hired to deal with and then I'm kept around until budget gets tight and I get replaced with a younger person who can read the documentation I left behind. And then I get to do the whole song and dance routine again. I know I still offer a lot to a company because companies that previously let me go "due to costs" have contacted me 12 - 18 months later asking me to come back because the "young puppy" couldn't problem solve and could only follow my documentation that was left behind and now there's a new problem/issue to be solved or fixed. Depending on how well I was treated while I was at said company, and what they're willing to pay to bring me back, I may or may not go back. But having repeat companies with 2+ yrs tenure for every role shows that bringing me back wasn't deemed a mistake for poor performance since I wasn't let go within the first 6 months of being back. And, yes, I've seen people get re-hired at a company until someone figures out they were terminated for a reason and lets them go anywhere from 30-120 days later.
Just wait until you get to be 45, 50 or 55 and see how the job opportunities decrease. I love all the younger generation's belief that "it will be different for me".
Post ID: @4gbd+1aXmTyog you are spot on. I couldn’t agree more. Well said.
And here comes the "conservative white male" crying crowd again. I see white males being hired and promoted everywhere - even if they are over 50 years old. BUT they are competent and bring a lot to the business, including knowing how to work with people who don't look like them. Otherwise, no, we don't want to hire or promote you. And that's because you have nothing to add to the growth of a company that serves a customer base that is diverse as well.
... Don't be a 45+/W/conservative there or anywhere for that matter.
What does "conservative" have to do with it? If you're 45+/W/Male, it's getting harder to get interviews. Doesn't matter if you're conservative, liberal or independent. They just see your age and move on.
It's the woke crowd and the govt. forcing companies (not just csco) to hire based on race, creed, color, and national origin. It has nothing to do with competency and qualifications. Don't be a 45+/W/conservative there or anywhere for that matter.
Very simple. Because better(smater) people will be a threat to their empire. Of course the smater people knows thta's the place to avoid.
Cisco measures performance by your ability to manipulate and exploit people. With those qualities as performance metrics, Cisco does hire some of the best in the industry.
Because HR (People and Communities) is spending all their cycles being woke.
Nepotism
Cisco management has no clue who's a good engineer and who's a hack. Hiring and firing at Cisco is Russian roulette.
If your way of managing expenses is through headcount, does it matter how well you hire?