https://www.inc.com/bruce-crumley/why-valuable-employees-often-leave-after-tighter-return-to-office-mandates/91064851
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Management ARE the ones who are getting rid of valuable people with their layoffs.
Are we finally getting RTO full-time 5 days a week again like every other company? Why has it taken Ford management so long to get back to normal?
@3iiz+1w6RXSEj
More often than most. It’s just funny af when people have perks they throw them in your face all the time but when the shoe is on the other foot we need to have solidarity blah blah.
@3sre+1w6RXSEj how often were you in the office or before March of 2020?
@2ozr+1w6RXSEj
“Nobody gave money back to the company during the WFH years”
Nobody paid the salaried workers for the electricity and internet to support business operations during the pandemic. Do you really want to get into a who pays for what round?
“Dont forget, a lot of people never had the luck of being able to do that. Assembly line people have been coming into the plant since the beginning.”
Maybe they should’ve gotten a degree and been able to work from home then. Blue collars are always the first to tell you how they were too smart for the college scam. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
@2xcl is exactly right. Nobody gave money back to the company during the WFH years and people got into the mindset that it was a god given right to be able to sit in their living room in their workout clothes and work. Where does it say that certain people dont have to come into the office to work? Is it in the bill of rights? Is it in your employment contract? Dont forget, a lot of people never had the luck of being able to do that. Assembly line people have been coming into the plant since the beginning. Another thing.... stop worrying about what other people do and focus on what you do. So and so gets to sit his fat @ss in another state while I have to drive 30 minutes to be in a building that doesnt even have a latte machine. WHO CARES! Fat @ss will eventually get what he deserves, so stop worrying about him. Just like when a teenager realizes that life isnt always fair, its time for the "I dont wanna go back to the office" crowd also realizes that you dont always get what you want.
@2kpg+1w6RXSEj. Did employees give back their savings when they suddenly worked at home 4 years ago. They can make all the demands they want, but WFH jobs will be fewer and fewer very soon. If you think you are in a position to dictate the terms of your work location, why are you on the Ford Layoff site?
It cost an employee time and money to work in an office. They will demand to be compensated for that extra cost or they will find an employer who will. That how a fair labor market not corrupted by importing people works.
If you have 30 years of service already, you are set. Those with 25 years of service are not going anywhere soon. Anyone with 20 years to work before retirement must make a difficult decision. I have 30+ years and have lost some outstanding employees. Like I told them, you must look out for yourself and your family. I know one guy we let go. He had 2 years left to work before retirement. I told him Ford lost an excellent employee, and they never should have let you go, but when the next company hires you, you will take them far if they give you a chance.
Bro I started my career at the plants in the '90s
I moved on in the 2000s
I'm sorry that you're not competent enough to do anything what you've been doing
But don't cr-p on those of us who are able to move on to something else
I appreciate what you do but seriously just stop go get some help
DF is a simpleton
I know you don't like to hear that but it's true
If you don't realize that I feel bad for you
What Ford should do this week is a madidate a return to the office for every single Ford employee.......
No what Ford SHOULD do is stop pretending they are a industry leader.... divest from the commercial real estate market stop following whatever Google Yahoo Amazon and whatever Tech industry does. Be a true industry leader, be a company that actually brings in a change to the way the automotive business runs.
Since we know that's NEVER going to happen because this company is being run by a nepo baby who has done nothing to advance his family legacy, the only logical step is to step down and let somebody with true vision lead this family legacy.
But just remember we're not a family at Ford that died a long time ago
@sst+1w6RXSEj. Who cares if the top tech talent Farley brought in leaves? They have been leaving anyway after pocketing their salaries and bonuses for a brief period with nothing to show for it. They all need to go, starting with DF. They need to stick with their tech skillset - designing food delivery apps. How many billions need to be pumped down this sink hole?
@vvb+1w6RXSEj: the majority of those were PRE-COVID.
What have you been doing lately?
What cracks me up about all this and ask yourself this question what will change? What will actually be accomplished that was not done under the old way?
People including management (especially them) will sit at their desk and call in (WEBX).. so what is the difference? I understand a build or launch or even a signoff. But to tell me that we all of a sudden meet in a room and all the problems go away is BS.
Look at calendar year 22 and look at the recalls. the majority of those were PRE-COVID. Stupid corporate waste of time projects like TVM... How many of our problems came from those items because of some mangers or VPs bonus or whole weeks spent on TVM. Just think of the items they could have fixed if they spent that on quality??? What happens when you do not have engineers running things..
Our Management is letting 3 days a week be implemented so loosely. 5 days will be handled the same.
"Stop with all this whining about RTO!" How about we stop the boomer whining? There is a based take that they are doing this to cull the herd. Absolutely they are. Calculated risk? Maybe. Although I think the risk they're taking that someone young, hungry, and desperate will get the the following: 1. Young talent that will do what it takes to get resume fodder, then see how the F in Ford stands for F'ed and move on quickly. 2. Low cost visa holder that will say yes to anything and anyone including those responsible for quality crisis. 3. Temporary use out of the colossal loss in commercial real estate they are sitting on. 4. Demonstrate they are making "some kind of" change so it looks like they are making a decision once in a while. To the dolt that said we need to do this to be competitive.....we need to sell cars you mouth-breather. Where did you get your degree? Go get your money back because they swindled you out of your common sense.
DF has highlighted the organizational benefits to RTO several times over the years. It is something we must do to become competitive.
RTO is a great way to shake the tree and make the layoffs and firings a little more efficient. If you give notice they could make special arrangements if you're on the keepers list, else, one less package to write up. Even if some critical talent says "enough." There's more out there trying to make a living in even worse places.
I work across town at a competitor but wouldn’t be surprised if the OEMs do this. My boss asked about my remote working location (city) and the last time they did this it was about 6 to 12 months prior to the transition to a hybrid schedule. Seeing the question is coming up again more changes may be coming, at least over here. Know that’s not what some may want to hear but sharing because the OEMs seem to take similar actions. I wonder if they see the tightening labor market as a means to do what they want. For a while the employee had leverage but that seems to have ended.
We’re supposed to keep working a certain way because that’s the way it’s always been done? Where have I heard that before?
A hybrid model has advantages where you can have both face time in-person and time at home without distractions to focus on deep work. Undisciplined employees will waste time whether they’re at home or in office.
Regardless of where someone works, shouldn’t management know if someone is doing their work?
Say good bye to all the tech talent Farley spent 3 years hiring if you force everyone to come in 5 days Rto. People don't realize how disperse Ford is, they hired people from every state and told them they can work remotely. These people are working on the next gen platform and if that sinks the whole company sinks. Would Farley really want to mess with that right now?
Stop with all this whining about RTO! Until covid, people did it every day for their entire career and they never complained. If you dont like it, go find someplace that will allow you to sit at home in your jammies and t-shirts. Your gas expenses are going to go up? Tough! You are going to have to buy some new office clothes? Tough! You are going to have to deal with people face to face and you dont like it? Tough! You are going to have to go to bed an hour earlier? Tough! I am sick and tired of listening to you creampuffs complain about having to do what was common practice as recently as 4 years ago. We did it for years and never complained.
“ Where is this talk of RTO 5 days a week coming from?”
I heard it directly from a LL that one of the big concerns being discussed at that level is getting people back into offices 5 days per week. It’s coming.
Where is this talk of RTO 5 days a week coming from? I haven’t heard any mention of it in my area, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
If this is implemented, will the remote employees be grandfathered in or required to move to Michigan?
@iek+1w6RXSEj. Good luck! Nobody at Ford will miss you.
@pei+1w6RXSEj I have looked at the job market. It is hard to find a WFH job with the salary I have now at FMC. A lot of competition for these openings. So I stayed at Ford. If I am forced to RTO, however, suddenly I dont have to look for WFH jobs anymore. Any RTO position can fetch me the same paycheque or higher, without so much competition. Now tell me a good reason why should I stay at Ford. None. Bye!
The state of events at Ford:
Ford has had a record of recalls for almost every Ford model over the last 3-4 years.
Ford's stock is in the toilet.
Lots of older experienced Ford employees have been pushed out of the company so there is an overall experience know how deficit.
So, why hadn't these so-called valuable people you are referring to, preformed above and beyond to avoid all the recalls which helped put Ford's stock in the toilet.
What Ford should do this week is madidate a return to the office for every single Ford employee on January 2, 2025. Ford should also state the whiners that do not comply will be fired on January 3rd and Ford will deny those fired unemployment benefits claims.
If you think you are that valuable, spend your holiday looking for a new job. 5 day RTO is coming in January.