Thread regarding Ford layoffs

How much would a LL4 and LL3 salary range be ? Just curious

There's still a lot of 'Ford attitude' at the company. We can lowball you because we are Ford. They haven't figured out they do have a reputation, but it's not as good as it once was.

As I always say, watch how you are treated during the interview process and that will be your experience at the company.

OP, you should be happy that F didn’t counter offer. You don’t want to work for a wanna-be Silicon Valley company that gives a 2% yearly raise and expects the employee to be grateful about it.

Not sure how the OP is determining the other team member is underpaid. If F broomed everyone with experience on that team, you are left with know nothing's at low salaries who are just "play acting" on the job and simply create some pretty spreadsheets without making contributions or doing real work. And their way reflects their skills.

I can relate to the op...when I hired in years ago with 7 yrs experience HR wanted to bring me also at a 6. I pushed back and requested 10 k more salary and 10 k signing bonus. They grumbled that that would push me to a 7 and I said ok it is what it is. They gave me it all. So you have to believe what your true value is and be prepared to walk if they do not agree. Look out for yourself and family or you will be walked on.

The engineers I have dealt with at Ion Park are backstabbers..Apply at own risk

@2bap+1tydHw9E stop for gas and a bag-o-chips at Joy & Southfield and tell us again which is more of a cesspool

@2kco+1tydHw9E this isn't true any more in software. 4 years experience at means much more now than it did in the old ford days where you slowly and cautiously worked your way up the ladder.

With only 4 years of experience you shouldn’t get anything higher than a GSR-6. You’re essentially still a new grad and useless for any real work.

The same thing happened to me 25 years ago. I interviewed and excepted a package to be an engineer in Dearborn. Four weeks after I hired in and completed the onboarding process, I was transferred with six other new engineers to fill holes in a department that traveled all the time to help plants that were having problems. It took three years to get out of that sh!t job. Never forget that Ford leadership can never be trusted. You must take care of yourself and family first, then Ford.

Wow the OP is high maintenance for sure......if he or she is that difficult in an interview situation, what will they be like as a worker? All companies lowball new hires, they are simply trying to cut G&A expense vs the prior person in that role (who likely had years of not decades of experience). Your salary would go much farther in Detroit or Dearborn vs the cesspool of California, but if you are leaving your current job and looking for a raise, an automotive OEM is not the place for you.

Oof OP posted this on levels.fyi and it's the top trending post over the past 14 days. Hey Ford this has cost you much more in reputation than the 13k you saved on salary.

I sense a lot of ford apologists in this thread...current employees who are clearly frustrated that they're underpaid...upset at the HTHD designation devaluing their own pay band...worried that they're the next to be laid off...clearly HR mishandled this entire situation...I for one empathize with this individual and wish him the best...be thankful and move on...

HR must really like you. You probably still don't know that the more money you make, the sooner you will be booted out. So, for what you want, you are let go before even having one foot inside the door. This saves you lots of trouble down the road. Say thank-you to your HR.

So what is your point, OP? The bottom line is that you are not as valuable to Ford as you think you are. They found someone else. The truth is that the HTHD designation needs to curtailed back, especially at Ion Park. Nothing has changed in engineering and technology fields. It only takes a few years for a hot discipline to get flooded and to be a dime a dozen.

You don’t want to work for Ford. It’s a horrible company. Find yourself a better place.

Ford Ion Park is the failed former A123 battery company.
A good place to avoid working if you want a long term position.

"This shows a clear lack of good faith in their negotiation process." From what I heard, when you try to negotiate with Ford HR they say, "Son, we've been here for decades before you were born, and we're gonna be here decades after you're gone. We don't really need you, son. Take it or leave it." This is a company based on old school industry methods, no matter what they tell you. It's all a smoke screen. The TV commercials that talk about Ford are a wooden Hollywood set in front of Old Detroit.

4 years? I’d bring you in as a 6, you were lucky to be offered GSR 7. They also exceeded your minimum as Ford HR considers your annual bonus into your compensation, which is much higher for a HTHD GSR 7 vs 6. I never let HR recruit my offers, I bring people in at a range that is fair to my existing team, last thing I need is for people to suddenly be working beside someone new who earns $10k more for the same work.

"Minimum Salary Ask Ignored:
When I applied, I specified a minimum base salary of $110k, which was completely disregarded in their offer." I mean at that point it sounds like they had determined your interview didn't justify your ask, they aren't obligated to hand you a certain salary because you asked for it. They could have just rejected you instead of making an offer at all, would you have preferred that?

Be thankful. Ford lost control of its business through head count reductions, restructuring, and the pursuit of social agendas, replacing too many people with both experience and education with either educated inexperienced people and/or people that fulfill other interests - meaning they "check" a box on a list somewhere, such as the pursuit of DEI. Too many current executives and managers are either in over their heads, realistically unqualified, or simply lack leadership skills and vision. Additionally, many are almost exclusively driven by social and/or political agendas. Did I mention that Ford managers often violate corporate compliance practices in order to do what they want? Oh yeah, they'll use money allocated for parts to purchase services or pay for additional heads, or software, tools, services, etc. The problem with this is that when budgets are made or approved, there is no real understanding of how money is being spent or what the true resource requirement is. After all, adding a purchased service head through a purchase order intended for parts is easy if everyone goes along with it, and why wouldn't they,
but what happens when the budget for those "parts" gets cut? Yep, you lose a head that no one at a higher level really ever knew even existed, and to make matters worse, they may have forced a salaried headcount reduction at the same time. Surely other Ford employees on this forum have seen agency workers get cut, only to be brought back as purchased service. So we didn't need that person or we did ... apparently someone that needs to know doesn't. It's a stupid game played by managers who aren't being honest with anyone, and the result is that no one at any level of Ford really knows whats going on, and nothing good can come from that. Its a train wreck waiting to happen. As someone else said, Ford is a bad place to land right now. Be thankful, chalk it up as a God wink, and move on.

I suggest you be thankful for the insight you gained about Ford through the process and move on. Ford isn't a good landing spot right now. Too much incompetence, lack of leadership, and lack of vision at all levels of management.

"Some of these replies are more red flags…sounds like you dodged a bullet."

Spot on....heavy on the "bitters".

Hey whoa people...not OP but damn. A good part of the pay disparity you see simply could come from negotiation tactics and people just being better at salary negotiation. If it was up to you to determine if they deserved it...wouldn't that make you the boss?

HTHD high salary people making around mid 6 figures should expect to have a target on thier back for layoffs or be under heightened scrutiny so always be ready for that. On top of this the market is tanking and auto sales are unreliable.

If you meet the salary criteria above or are in the GSR7-8 range....I'd start being prepared. Bit there is plenty of other work out there. Don't let anyone tell you it's some big bottomless hole of pitty party outside of Ford.....you'll be fine.

Really don’t move to Michigan. Are you nuts to move from California to here? You won’t last. Cold, snow, rain and gloom is here 9 months out of the year. Everything is old and gross here. Also, did they try and “woo” you by offering you to work at the Train Station? Detroit seriously is very dangerous and you don’t want to work there. Be glad you didn’t get the job.

Some of these replies are more red flags…sounds like you dodged a bullet

Oh you poor thing! Go get a hug from your Mommy.

You seem to hard to deal with. Too demanding and entitled. Your behavior was red flags so of course they didn’t want you.

Ask not what Ford can do for you but what you can do for Ford...
Personally, I hate it when companies pay new hires more than experienced employees, and I hate when people jump ship every 18 months and make 20% more. Sounds like we dodged a bullet with you

Bless your heart.

Go post your s-b story on Facebook or Reddit.