I keep seeing post about CL levels and pays. It doesn't matter If you make a ton of money at exxon. The real problem is getting through the next few years with out getting PIPed. I love the egotistical post of some who think they are marked for greatness high fliers performers. All it takes is one bad year ranking session to be let go. So good luck to these delusional people.
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@1yuw+1cK0W0T9 Not being like every other company is simultaneously what ruined XOM. Sometimes differentiation isn’t a good thing.
@byi+1cK0W0T9
I see.
Well I am the queen of China and Neil Armstrong frequently called me when working on the moon landing as I knew the nooks and crannies of a space missions. Also I do not like to brag but have you heard of this thing, the United States of America? I am the very reason the founding fathers went through their plan.
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Not being like “every other company” was what made a Exxon great. Now it’s just a sh-t show.
The further you are from NRE, the less likely you are to survive the annual blood letting of 8% to get to full retirement.
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I don’t know what you mean by “architect” (not everybody in this company works for EMIT or whatever), but the point is that “respected senior technical people” who have been PIPed are senior because of their experience and are respected by their peers, not necessarily by parasitic management. They were not promoted beyond typical end of technical career CL 28-29, so your point falls totally flat.
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I had people calling me from all over the world asking for me to consult on their projects. Even flew into a foreign country to convince a head of state to choose ExxonMobil for a project (they did). I did this in addition to my normal assigned job (often working on these extra projects after hours and on weekends). Had and upper 1/3 ranking, and still ended up getting laid off. Anyone working at Exxon not seeking another job is an absolute fool.
@slo+1cK0W0T9, hilarious calling yourself out “useless fat to cut”! Experienced in what? Bacon? 😂🤣🥱
You can’t both say that everyone gets promoted only by sponsor not talent, and that we have all of these senior well respected architects being PIPed. Either sh-t people were promoted so sh-t architects are being PIPed, or people were promoted based on talent and they are unfairly being PIPed. And every company will “PIP” you if you don’t do anything for them…regardless of age. Maybe they should have been PIPed long ago?
The company will be broken up and much of it sold off in next few years.
So very unpredictable.
Short answer:
Roll enough dice to add to 30 (5 dice for number of career years).
That's your answer.
Then do it again 10 minutes later.
That's your answer.
Yes, we have seen the same in Europe. We didn't see many T2 managers are part of the lay-off program. If the intention is to reduce cost, they are the one who cost more, not the administrative assistants.
Some even have stayed as expat for years - the reason no career opportunity in home country. Blahhhh....
“Fat to cut” at EM ? Plenty of it ! But all those who have been or will be PIPed-off are regular workers, very often respected experienced technical people. “Leadership material” gets touched only when they lose their sponsors to retirement or when they dare to show some integrity and independent thinking.
Working for EM has become like a year to year contract renewed/or not renewed at the annual PIP event.
The odds or surviving 30 PIP cycles of 8% reduction is very slim, unless you find a sponsor.
I have seen a highly respected subject matter expert PIP’d. He was RE so retired, but it was a humiliating end to a great career.
You can be top in your field and PIP’d.
You can accept a transfer to a cr---y boss and PIP’d.
Your group’s workload can drop and most of team PIP’d.
The only people immune from PIPing are the people with good sponsors.
PS. Your sponsor retires and you can be PIP’d.
I retired at 65 years old. My ranking did drop slightly after 60 but I never paid that much attention to it. I always made sure that my engineering and operational skills remained sharp, and yes, I was an EM team player. As consequence, when ever the project ended and the team dispersed op sups would complete for my involvement in their project.
Example: Late one evening I got a call to my home (in The Woodlands, TX) from the EM Australian Drilling Manager (based in Melbourne, Aust) asking if I would be interested in joining their Janz project (offshore Western Australia) as my EM Nigerian project was ending. This was a typical op sup response based on a set of skills that I had developed plus my attitude regarding corporate culture.
If you are not in demand within EM, if operation superintendents or managers aren’t asking for you, I would definitely find another job where your skills are core.
I don’t have numbers but I have observed many many examples of people who worked for decades suddenly being PIPd and forced out late in their career. I for one don’t want to be looking for a new job when I am in my 50’s.
I didn’t say management wasn’t excluded from the fat that Exxon needs to cut. It’s across the board there’s just a ton of surplus of useless roles and people who provide the same value as an MSP. I work in high performance computing btw, not managerial or in Baton Rouge lol
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As an experienced hire without decades of relevant experience at EM - you have yet to understand the game.
In my 20+ years I saw more of the favoritism, nepotism, kiss a**ism, and so much more. I saw very good people get PIP’d. People who moved their family to remote countries and gave their all to the company.
And yes - there are Corporations that operate differently - EM was not my only employer (even in O&G) by far.
Agreed, folks like that at manufacturing sites and corporate. Exxon finds itself defending its capital spending—$20 billion-$25 billion per year through 2025 according to the company—while reducing operating expenses—by 15% (fake pips) in 2020 it says—and seeking to maintain the $15 billion a year in dividends it pays out all while cutting great engineers and leaving poor management untouched.
Obviously from management and likely Baton Rouge. You’ and folks like you are the problem with xom. I’d bet you couldn’t pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel but have the gift of gab. @slo+1cK0W0T9
So the people who do end up getting promoted come from where then? Thin air? Truth is some people are promoted on talent, some are promoted by playing the game. People who get PIPed both don’t have the talent and don’t get corporate America. Downvote me all you want, but as a recent experienced hire, you’re not going to find any company where this is different and XOM has tons of useless fat to cut