Thread regarding Oracle Corp. layoffs

Obviously the original poster is drinking too much cool-aid!

And they have never worked in field support where 80% of employees are grateful an IT Geek was there to help them and an experienced one at that, not anew person straight out of college who had no idea how things really work.

Want to save money, stop paying Cloud engs 3-4 times as much as other IT employees. Most are not worth it.

Oracle is a sinking ship. It can't catch up to the real players.

Who run Bartertown?

@3nxl+16tTLenN
You took the words out of my mouth. In 30 years I have never seen a "vanilla" installation of anything. Once the customer complains about something, Tweeks and modifications are made. I remember when Sun tried to do this with IBIS. That lasted about 3 months before vanilla went out the window.

In the mean time, Oracle visa employees in America stay on board

It won't be long before Oracle realize removing Oracle IT is a wrong move by OCI management, and start expanding the teams under JE with new cheaper fresh from school hires.

The cycle will continue, it is not the first time.

CM lacks experience, and OP is too cloudy to understand it.

But, unlike Fusion, ESB actually works. Fusion SaaS is so bad we can only “sell” it by discounting other software customers actually want and use. We’re all doomed if we bet our future on Fusion.

Nice try, but you are missing the point entirely. Remember EBS expense reports?
Gone and now moved to HCM.

Uhh, when did Fusion Expenses move from Financials to HCM?

I was still around when Oracle moved from EBS to Fusion Expenses. What a disaster.

As for saving headcount by getting rid of customizations... the old story. That’s been the goal for literally 20 years. Never really worked. If it couldn’t be customized, product development was arm wrestled into implementing it in the core product. So instead of IT engineers you now have product developers implementing stuff for the business side of the company (at a higher cost and at the expense of features paying customers want/need). Source: former dev manager in EBS and Fusion Apps.

The reality of cloud computing is just your sh– on someone else's hardware.

Do your homework. OP is talking about switching customized apps and their required support for vanilla SAAS, where only a fraction of manpower is required to support the latter. That’s where the savings are.

Sorry, but that is BS

The denial is strong with this one master Luke.

The reality of cloud computing is just your sh– on someone else's hardware. You can only carve a physical into so many VM's. A 5 gallon bucket will only hold 5 gallons no matter what.

You can smell it in Palo Alto, SF cooking....the books.

Sorry, but that is BS. Don’t know what the org looks like now, but a couple of years ago Apps IT (under ProdDev) was an org with 1000+ people running Oracle’s internal “cloud” and on prem enterprise apps and a whole bunch of custom stuff. This stuff doesn’t just run itself. You can shove people into other orgs, of course, but the work does not go away.

Nice try, but you are missing the point entirely. Remember EBS expense reports? Gone and now moved to HCM. Remember Siebel? Gone and moved to Sales cloud. How about EBS finance? Where do you think that’s headed? There is an active and funded effort to migrate off of EBS entirely. It isn’t as if this effort started yesterday.

Same with internally run analytics stacks. Same with custom reporting apps. I could go on and on.
Fewer custom apps = fewer IT personnel required for support.

Cloud economies of scale are 10x better than the support required for custom, which ultimately puts your apps support at 100, and like it or not, that is where Oracle is headed. Those 900 other IT positions are “reassigned to higher value tasks”, and if you need to believe that means they are moved to some other division, then you are welcome to do so.

With Fusion Apps, EBS and related technology is no longer required. Just log into
Fusion and you are good to go. No IT geeks needed here either.

Sorry, but that is BS. Don’t know what the org looks like now, but a couple of years ago Apps IT (under ProdDev) was an org with 1000+ people running Oracle’s internal “cloud” and on prem enterprise apps and a whole bunch of custom stuff. This stuff doesn’t just run itself. You can shove people into other orgs, of course, but the work does not go away.

Heard just now - One very nice person was laid off from oracle Chile. Need to know then details as how many were gone etc.

@1 rep, if that’s your wish!

Put the losers out of their collective miseries

Well, it is obvious that the OP and others who have chimes in have inside knowledge of OIT

Why all this talk of "sweaty old guys"?

I'll have you know I bathe once a week, whether I need it or not!

“Who runs the Cloud?”

Cloud ops runs it, same as for customers. OIT sure as heck doesn’t. That’s the beauty of it. It’s a “one size fits all”, instead of a heavily customized hairball requiring an army of these sweaty IT has-beens. That’s how the economies of scale are realized, and hence the way that the costs are driven down.

Another good example is that a massive number of oracle DBAs can be “repurposed to do higher-value work” (i.e., code for the fact that they will be let go), by moving internal DBs to autonomous. These services will no doubt be accessed internally at extreme discounts via sketchy financial practices and sleight of hand (not unlike the shady external reporting that is currently done today for cloud sales).

Pretty sure this was written by product marketing.

Who runs the Cloud?

Unfortunately a game is being played within Oracle rebranding everything internally as "cloud". The fact that on-premise enterprise software stacks are what customers demand. The failure within Oracle is the lying from the bottom up because "Larry" only wanted to hear cloud. Or was it MH? Regardless the song that has been sung to the investment community since 2015 hasn't rung true.
The problem is it is a little cloudy and hard to see.

No expensive IT resources are required. You no longer need IT "geeks" crawling all over the company for purchasing hardware, provisioning, and management of technology

This is all true except that you are shifting the expense to Cloud instead of traditional IT. There is still a minimum amount of overhead and it still costs money. I'm not against it, time and technology marches on, but it won't be all that much cheaper.

Of course for all this wonderful new cloud stuff to sustain itself, you need to convince someone to actually purchase it. When can we look forward to that happening? When can we look forward to the cloud group carrying their own weight financially? When can we look forward to Oracle proudly announcing cloud income at earnings calls instead of the current embarrassment of having to hide the ugly truth by mixing cloud earnings with unrelated income?

Ouch, but for all intensive purposes pretty true. Buckle your seatbelts, its gonna be a bumpy this week and next...