Thread regarding General Electric Co. layoffs

2021

I know pretty much everyone is hoping for a turnaround in 2021, but let me tell you why that's an impossibility.
Currently, there are literally millions of tenants, retail, residential, office, who are seriously delinquent on their rents, and are only still occupying their space due to the moratorium on evictions, or simply refusing to leave.
This is causing immense strain on landlords, and in turn their lenders, who simply aren't getting paid, and haven't been paid for months. Debts need to be serviced, otherwise the cascading effects of lost revenues ripple through the entire economy.
People who THINK they aren't exposed to this crisis, in fact are. People like bondholders, people like shareholders, people collecting a dividend, are prime examples of those who are blissfully unaware of how exposed they are to the debt insolvency crisis which is about to explode.

Debt is fuel for this economy, or more accurately, debt servicing, which provides a comfortable living for millions of Americans who right now think the covid crisis is beneath them. They are in for a rude awakening very soon.

The immense stress currently shouldered by small businesses, restaurants, landlords, cannot be carried much longer and will be passed on to their stakeholders, like banks, lenders, who will be saddled with millions of money-losing assets which the former owner can no longer carry.

But unlike the former owners, lenders have no appetite to sit on a money sink, and will sell them off for whatever they can get to recoup at least some of their losses. And once this begins, a tidal wave of selling will be unleashed, homes, businesses, retail and commercial properties, assets which are dramatically overvalued in the current environment will find their true market value in this selloff, which will be 50%++ lower than what the current owners think they're worth.

Selling begets more selling as fear replaces greed and everyone tries to rush out the same door at once, which very few will manage to do.

Large retailers like Macy's, Penney's, and more will finally throw in the towel and close thousands of stores, cumulatively, greatly increasing the financial strain on already insolvent mall operators, who will be forced to sell or shut down entire malls nationwide. This isn't theory, it's math, mall owners have been losing money since even before covid when retailers were closing at a historic rate. Covid only intensified that trend.

So, 2021 will be the year the current bagholders, who are draining their own reserves and savings to maintain the facade, will finally capitulate. Economists widely agree that if even 10% of businesses in an economy fail, the ripple effects are ample to bring down most of the rest of the economy, as we have a very interconnected financial system.

It's unfortunate that most Americans dont know the first thing about economics or how our financial system REALLY works, and thus will be completely blindsided by this. Their source of info is the evening news, which will only explain these events AFTER they already happened and the damage is done, they will never warn or prepare the masses, since the media is owned by corporations, thus the term "Corporate Media" is entirely accurate.

Corporations have insider knowledge of the economy and what's coming, good, bad, where, when, how. The average Joe thinks he knows as much as everyone, including multi-billionaires who could tell you detailed info about what's coming to the economy 5 yrs from now, nvm 6 months.

Why? because they're the investors, the movers who make it happen that's why, and sometimes they have to fleece the sheep to save their own necks, and when that time is nigh, as it is now, it wouldn't serve their purposes to warn the sheep in advance now would it?

No, but gullible, uninformed Americans just assume rainbows and unicorns forever, and should a rainy day arrive, they are supremely confident it will pass in a jiffy and blue skies will return. Well, those people are about to discover that their world view could not be more incorrect, as 2021 will reward those who inform themselves, about how our financial system REALLY works, and what the current state is.

Hint: It's nothing like what those pretty blondes on the evening news will tell you. If you want real info, you'll have to work for it, nobody hands that out to lazy, sloppy masses for free.

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Post ID: @OP+18GopQZY

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Yes that's what I meant except I'm not sure the typical operator is even worth the $25 an hour. Maybe though.

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Post ID: @4dpj+18GopQZY

@4eod+18GopQZY, Machinist or a CNC Machine Operator? machinist are very impressive, worth every dollar they make. Not so much for the CNC Op. Bit/tool material selection, feed speed, axis cuts are all pre-programmed. Feed the blank in the CNC machine, pull it out and inspect.

This is a prime example of the impact automation has had on salaries. When automation engineer out "value added steps", the value of the employee's job goes down or goes away. (when the last time you saw a navigator on a commercial plane...computers reduced c—pits from 3 to 2 on non-wide-body jets) A good Machinist is worth $ 40/hr or more, a CNC Op, $ 25hr.

Life move on, embrace CNC dudes :-)

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Post ID: @4ida+18GopQZY

Having produced a ton of NPI parts in aviation and other industries I can tell you that there is a big difference in the body of knowledge that a seasoned machinist brings to the table vs. A newbie or inexperienced hourly employee. There are important and sensitive steps that must be considered and followed when machining parts. Also, the trouble shooting and helping less skilled people work through issues is what keeps the processes flowing and parts moving. It really is not as easy at it often looks to replace these folks. Usually the skillset comes along with a lot of attitude. This phenomenon is not unique to hourly employees however. It also applies to positions throughout the organization. I hope this helps. I am salary around 100k.

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Post ID: @4eod+18GopQZY

I can't wait until all of us T-Rates are let go. It'll be comical reading all the D-Rates comments as they struggle to find a new punching bag to take all their shortcomings out on. I have a mess load of popcorn on standby for the Thunderdome matches that will start once all the D-Rates realize they have no other option for survival but to turn on each other.

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Post ID: @4ezm+18GopQZY

So not trying to be a jerk but I was an ops leader 10 years ago, all these skills the d rates have, what are they? I saw alot of guys cleaning bird c-ap off a generator and stacking thin pieces of metal on top of each other. Crane guys....OK. But this is the classic when the bottom of the food chain moves up one rung they are the worst to the people that are the new "bottom". FYI GE see all hourly but the field guys as a cost only, and even the field that we HAVE to have they been screwing them for years.

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Post ID: @4qsy+18GopQZY

Well it’s a good thing LC got part of his bonus incentives he won’t fall under this category by about $43 million short. Well corporate greed always will win. If those who don’t like it should take the GE useless skills to another company. But do believe me you won’t make GE money because most t rates have no job skills. They just got lucky when GE lowered the standard to get your foot in the door. Always remember your just a number and are easily disposable just like the last 2 rounds of layoffs. That’s how LC will off set his bonus this year he will implement more cuts to power and aviation in the states and in 273 and 66.

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Post ID: @3coj+18GopQZY

No realistic improvement can be expected in GE until most of the upper and middle management is replaced and the culture fixed. Right now I see LC bringing in Lean and trying to change the way things work but he is basically being ignored by most of the mgmt. In the end I see LC fixing the macro and financial issues and leaving and then GE going back to its c-appy old ways.

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Post ID: @2qrc+18GopQZY

2hse+18GopQZY- 273 will not close but there will be a huge cut in positions in 273. Rumor going around the only positions staying for now are some at 66 and the bar shop the rest are hitting the other side of the fence. The false hope the t rates were going to make a substantial wage is gone. Like I said many t rates will be lucky to make what they make now and many will go back to making half of a GE salary. Those who think GE in Schenectady will have a long future limping along. We make More sc-ap than good product quality has gone way down. When all the experienced engineers and ops leaders left so did the quality. The new regime of leaders have no clue and it shows.

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Post ID: @2yvw+18GopQZY

@2xob+18GopQZY Everything at GE seems to be false information, nothing they say can be trusted, whether coming from your direct boss or anyone else, up to and including corporate. JW was lauded as a management god, but all of GE’s current problems can be traced back to him. His financial engineering and lack of transparency were passed down to his lackey I-melt and the downward spiral continued. Present day: Culp has been handed a t–d, and has to try to polish it, now to a much duller luster than originally negotiated. Another example of GE rewarding mediocrity. We’re all on a sinking ship, it’s up to you to decide if you want to grab a life preserver and wait it out, or grab a bucket and start bailing. Good luck either way you go, it won’t take long to see which way most people decided to go.

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Post ID: @2hse+18GopQZY

1bjc+18GopQZY I agree but most of the t rates will be lucky to land a job making $15-$20 an hr base rate with their job qualifications. Most of the t rates came from unskilled jobs like coffee shops and employers like that. Do not get me wrong there are t rates who regret coming to GE thinking they would grow to the history of GE and the great legacy it once held. Those t rates will go back making the same if not more than what GE is paying them. It is very sad to know and see the things that are coming to 273 and 66. There are going to be so many union brothers and sisters on the street again. Major changes are coming to 273 you can feel it in the air. An ops leader kinda hinted but could not say what the changes are and how many. But has said that full builds are not what they projected at the all hands meeting” it was all false information” his words. 2021 is going to be a very tough year!

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Post ID: @2xob+18GopQZY

@1wtc+18GopQZY, how will everyone loose their pensions and 401k plans? Pensions are insured by the Feds (PBGC) up to $ 75,409 a year in 2021. Company ran 401k's are held in a separate trust per ERISA law. So a company could go bankrupt and the money would still be there.

Economies transition, they also do. Horseshoers jobs became cars mfg jobs, manual number crunchers became computer programmers, etc. Prepare for the transition.

Here's what I tell my kids. If you make $ 85-90K, live like you make $ 60K. Those $ 60K jobs will always be out there, the higher paid job jobs are ripe for companies to lean, automate or outsource. Investors demand it.

I'm amazed to drive through the GE Schenectady lot. you'd wonder if it's not a new car lot. New Ram 1500, Ford F150 and Chevy Silverado trucks everywhere. Not saying those vehicles are well deserved, what I am saying is that's not a group of people getting ready to live on $ 60K vs $ 85-90K

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Post ID: @1bjc+18GopQZY

Hence more layoffs for Power and aviation is what he is saying. The Great Depression will look like a tea party compared to what’s about to come. Almost Every one will loose their retirements and 401k plans. The rich will stay rich and there will be a lot more middle class moving to the poor class. Who wins? The rich people and the hard working American is left broke and homeless. GE will not help anyone!

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Post ID: @1wtc+18GopQZY

Not everyone is an id–t. There are some who have been preparing for the end of the current fiat system for years and will take what comes as best as we can. Do what you can to prepare. However, there is no easy way out of this. Might be good to stay close to family if you have it and also stay close to God. He doesn't fail if you believe and do what he has said to do. Hard times are coming. We haven't seen anything yet. 2020 will go down as one of the good years.

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Post ID: @mrf+18GopQZY

Quit trying to tell the truth. You are talking to children that will never be mature enough to handle it. My investments are in other continents. America is an id–tic disgrace on both sides of the political spectrum. MME is the final knockout blow to our 75 year dominance. Don’t bother attacking. I won’t read replies. Get your precious metals and brass, especially if you can’t flee to a better country. Be safe and smart, and don’t waste time trying to save the id–ts.

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Post ID: @mop+18GopQZY

Thank you freshman at a community college currently flunking economics

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