Thread regarding Morgan Stanley layoffs

Why do the exact same threat messages appear on the Bank of America message board?

Seems like a coordinated effort to scare people into taking dangerous sh*ts.

no dice

I see the msnbc watchers continue posting here. it's fascinating to watch.

The powers in charge are not going to just let all the unvaccinated be on their merry way and come back into the office. Sorry, not happening. It’s been quiet. And you can bet your last dollar the next move is swift. They have given everyone plenty of time to get the jabs. This is not negotiable or fear p04n. It’s simply the way of the future with COVID. You can complain, deny, whine all you want but you won’t be sailing off into the sunset planning your retirement if you are not fully vaccinated, at least not in Corporate America. The mandates are happening. For those unvaccinated it is just a “expect it when you least expect it “ type of thing. You will be worried until the day they let you go for not being vaccinated. All new hires are being required to show vaccination status, you really think they are going to just let the unvaccinated work from home? Keep dreaming. Your paperwork is in the works. Bank on it.

Their next move is going to be a doozy.

I think the point is, unvaccinated are not being allowed to return to the office. That’s kinda a big deal. Yeah, they may let you work from home for a bit, but all new hires will be required to be vaccinated upon start. You can deny all you want, but vaccinations are the future. Many can see what’s happening. Some are just in denial.

What would be the purpose in literally a layoff message board with post after post of fearpor* to try to manipulate people into getting a sh*t?

We are going to get a pay cut. We are going to be too expensive to insure. We are going to be laid off. On and on....

And yet none of that has happened.

Almost seems as if this message board was launched circa March 2020 for the express purpose of using layoff fears to drive sh*t uptake.

No dice.

You’re either gonna decline the vaccine, be unemployable, lose your home, spend through your savings, be homeless, but, hey, you’ll be unvaxxed and all good, bro.

Or, you’re gonna get vaccinated, work your bu-t off to get your family to a home off the beat and path so your grandkids and kids might have a fighting chance at this life. Yeah, maybe you get sick, well, people we’re getting sick and dying before the vaccine, they will sure as sh!t keep getting sick and dying even after they get vaccinated.

Question is, do you want to fizzle out now? Or roll the dice, work and save and find a home to get your family to so you can really say no to all the bullish!t. Most of the sheep out there never saw this pandemic coming, heck, even preppers didn’t see this scenario playing out.

Some people are taking one for the team, i.e their loved ones, so they don’t become destitute, homeless and hungry.

Yeah it’s a tough call. But no one said life was easy. If you’ve got people and kids depending on you, think twice before leaving your job and having no money coming in. You’ll die much quicker being broke.

@3eek+1cPwklgt

I don’t agree with the mandates. But you need to get with the times, the vaccine is not going away. But the unvaccinated will be laid off if they don’t comply.

Wake up.

To state the obvious, you’re safer if you’re vaccinated for several reasons, one of which, your job is going to require it. Try staying unvaccinated and let us know how that works out.

@3kqh+1cPwklgt

And to state the obvious, you have no actual idea of anyone’s vaccinated status. And before you try to convince anyone you’re an MD or higher, just stop. You are here to stir the p-t. Everyone will be vaccinated. Sure, some might get a saline jab, they are the control group. But don’t think for a minute the top management are not vaccinated.

Please go back to watching your daily Alex Jones propaganda.

They aren't laying off/firing all the front office MD's in ISG or MSIM for example who arent vaxxed. Not happening.

Here’s the deal…. Of course things feel tense at MS, many who rolled up a sleeve to get the experimental gene therapy did so with good intentions and because they need a damn paycheck to pay the mortgage and feed the kids. Now do you think these same people that got vaccinated are going to feel safe working alongside the unvaccinated? Of course not. They took one for the team and you will, too, or you will be forced out. It’s as simple as that. You can argue up and down about breakthrough cases, blah, blah, blah, they will make sure all employees are vaccinated, otherwise companies are at risk of being sued by the vaccinated who have a leg to actually stand on, they will demand a safe work environment with no unvaccinated. Is it fair? No. But nothing in life is fair. Wake up.

It’s really amazing to see everything happen so fast, yet it feels like an eternity watching all this transpire.

When you fill out a job application, they ask if you’re vaccinated.

It may be a slow wrecking ball, but the system is changing. I’m sure at one time people were outraged about a background check, but that is required to get a job in most companies.

@2rmz+1cPwklgt

If you say so.

Fact, unvaccinated will not have employment.

@2cyq+1cPwklgt

not too many md's at 1585 are vaxxed, nor will we be.

your mileage may vary, but if you aren't looking out for your own health vs following employer dictates, well I suppose that's something you'll need to come to grips with.

you are responsible for your health. the unvaxxed MD's arent going to want to be around anyone vaxxed employees once flu season starts, and anti-body dependent enhancement takes hold in those who showed up for their "miracle shot."

The level of denial with the people who are unvaccinated is not surprising. These people are still assuming they have a choice. I’m not sure why it is so difficult for them to see what is going on. Am I happy with the direction of this? No, I believe we should be able to choose, but I live in reality. You will not be working if you are not vaccinated. That is the future. The vaccinated people will not be happy about having unvaccinated around them and given everyone has had the entire summer to get the jab, I’d say by this November there will be a deadline. Get jab or no job. It’s like getting hired and passing background check.

Some of you are really in denial about how serious this is. Lawsuits are useless as our entire system is compromised.

Big pharma and banks run the world now. Wake up.

Go broke now by losing job, etc or go broke later with medical bills.

Either way we’re all sinking on this ship. No one wins. Mark my words.

Sounds like layoffs for unvaxxed to me….

From an article in June 2021…

“The bank’s hardline vaccine requirement comes as its executives push for a swift and full return to the office. Chief executive James Gorman issued a stern warning to his staff last week, telling them to come back to the office by Labor Day or face a pay cut.”

“Make no mistake about it. We do our work inside Morgan Stanley offices, and that’s where we teach, that’s where our interns learn, that’s how we develop people,” Gorman said. “If you can go into a restaurant in New York City, you can come into the office.”

“On Labor Day, I’ll be very disappointed if people haven’t found their way into the office. Then, we’ll have a different kind of conversation,” he added.

“Speaking at a conference last week, Gorman noted that 90 percent of Morgan Stanley’s workers who had returned the the office were vaccinated, and said the bank expects only a small number to be unvaccinated when the bank’s offices fully reopen after Labor day.”

“Maybe they can’t or they won’t,” Gorman said of workers without jabs. “We’ll deal with that when we get there.”

https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/morgan-stanley-to-block-unvaccinated-staff-from-ny-offices/

@1vgh+1cPwklgt

"They will eventually lay off the unvaccinated."

The hamster wheel never stops with you guys, does it? IF you are vax, why the he-l would you care, one way or the other if the unvax did get laid off?

They wont, that's never been up for discussion. I know that. You dont. Just stop, the rationalization cycle is painful to watch.

Ask yourself: Is TedPick vaxxed? Of course not. Take your cues accordingly, but for the love of God, stop with this nonsense about the unvax getting laid off. IT IS NOT HAPPENING.

We've reduced over 1000 fte just this quarter, and vax status played no role.

Perhaps some of you need to read what management said about getting the vax. They said if you don get vax, pay cut and a very different conversation.

From an article in June 2021…

“The bank’s hardline vaccine requirement comes as its executives push for a swift and full return to the office. Chief executive James Gorman issued a stern warning to his staff last week, telling them to come back to the office by Labor Day or face a pay cut.”

“Make no mistake about it. We do our work inside Morgan Stanley offices, and that’s where we teach, that’s where our interns learn, that’s how we develop people,” Gorman said. “If you can go into a restaurant in New York City, you can come into the office.”

“On Labor Day, I’ll be very disappointed if people haven’t found their way into the office. Then, we’ll have a different kind of conversation,” he added.

“Speaking at a conference last week, Gorman noted that 90 percent of Morgan Stanley’s workers who had returned the the office were vaccinated, and said the bank expects only a small number to be unvaccinated when the bank’s offices fully reopen after Labor day.”

“Maybe they can’t or they won’t,” Gorman said of workers without jabs. “We’ll deal with that when we get there.”

https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/morgan-stanley-to-block-unvaccinated-staff-from-ny-offices/

Not sure what people don’t understand. You get vaxxed or they will have a “different conversation” with you.

And this same thing is happening at all the big Wall Street banks….it will trickle down to everyone at every place of employment.

I believe we should be able to choose, but it looks like that will not be an option.

It really sucks to be in this position, take the jab to keep your job or get laid off and have to live off savings. Either way, it’s going to ruin lives.

I got vaccinated because I’m old and need my job. Plain and simple. I know others in same situation and they know what’s coming. Unvaccinated will be first to get RIF’d.

@1nqq+1cPwklgt

I am genuinely curious in what part of the firm you work.

You took an unapproved dr-g and think a mask prevents disease.

Do tell. What department. Accounting? Legal? Compliance? HR? Ops???

It's one of those. Just admit it.

The only reason you'd be leery of anyone at the office is neuroticism. But that also probably relates to unapproved dr-gs and masks, now doesn't it?

Its sad how many vaccinated people think they are protected from reality. Even though I am vaccinated, I'm not a fking mo--n. The comments from people turning the threads political makes me even more leery of who I am dealing with at the office. Most of you are creepy aholes who post the most grandiose horsesh*t because you think this site is anonymous. Lets do a poll after layoffs and find out how many of the Morgan Stanley vaccinated were laid off. Equal numbers to the unvaxxed is my bet. But good luck. In my humble opinion, (note: speaking as a fully vaccinated person). I practice common sense. I read the published data from the US and around the world. I STILL WEAR A MASK because how the he-l would I know if I'm asymptomatic and spreading it to others? Deal with it you self righteous buzzards.

This MUST be HR propagandists posting, because it detached from scientific and medical reality.

They already indicated unvaccinated will get pay cuts and then eventually terminated. Not sure why people think they have a choice.

Getting vaccinated means you will have a better chance of keeping your job, anywhere. And getting a new job, anywhere. Are you people that blind to what’s going on?

Being vaxxed is the only way to keep a job in the future. Bank on it.

I think it’s cute how so many think the unvaxxed are going to win this.

It’s over.

The unvaxxed will be laid off. They are re too costly to insure and companies won’t want to have to deal with vaxxed complaining about having to work with unvaxxed. Look at the airlines, they are charging unvaxxed $200 a month to offset medical insurance costs.

If you don’t get vaxxed, you’re not going to stay employed, you will be too risky to employ.

Yes, but unvaxxed pretty much says your not committed to your job or the safety of everyone you work with.

why would you think a shot was going to somehow save your job? that's childish reasoning on your part.

there were will be zero, ZERO, 7-figure front office people getting laid off, even if they are unvax.

if you work in an overhead function, you can take 18 shots and no one cares. you are expendable, as it always was.

WELL SAID! The TRUTH has been spoken! Shot or no shot, it is open season around here. I wonder how many people (regardless of vaccination status), will be let go in the weeks to come. I heard etrade already made cuts a week ago and since we are selling of pieces of their business, they are going to see more cuts.