2nd wave and I really don't want to move.
Currently pretending to be a happy mover and preaching about benefits living in TX, no state tax, lower house price etc.
Many coworkers are faking it too, I know.
My question is, if I officially select to be a mover and back off last minute, what will be the consequence?
Goal is to buy as much time as possible. Any pro tips? Does XOM grant long term wfh deals with employees?
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I’m a realtor in the 08801, if you do decide to relocate I can definitely get your home on the market for a fast and bountiful sale :)
@1ukz I did the whole Fairfax to Houston relocation and now retired. The whole Texas tax “advantage” is a hoax. Real estate taxes are through the roof and your property gets reassessed every year. And growth and housing prices in GHA are fixed to increase significantly. They can’t raise your taxes by more than 10% per year but build that in to you COL calculation as it adds up over 5, 10 years….. And if you have kids in school you might find a decent public school but in general it’s subpar compared to mid Atlantic and NE.
Oh and I moved from TexAss after retirement.
Global Real Estate (GREF) has already evaluated the Decision Analysis Risk Scenarios. The executives know what year and quarter that they should move Clinton to Baytown, EMHC, and India. The executives also know what % of employees will move and those that will retire and the percentage of employees whose job function will be outsourced to India.
This same rigorous assessment was completed by Global Real Estate when Fairfax, Virginia was moved to The Woodlands.
The differences between Texas, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey are small in comparison to many other factors to consider. Tax differences should only be a very mnor factor in your decision to relocate.
Check out this website.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494
@tub Just remember that your point has been debunked ad-nauseam, that outsourcing has been happening since the 1980s, and that tens of thousands of people who complied with RTO mandates have been let go anyway.
We get it: you despise remote work, have no life outside of work, and rely on the office for what little social interaction you get. Not my problem.
OP, you won't have to give an answer to Exxon until April 2026. That already gives you 18 months. Then you say you won't move. You won't be laid off because XOM doesn't lay off people. It looks bad on them. You will be NSIed sometime in July 2026. Go through the PIP. That gives you until November 2026 more or less. That's like two more years of employment with XOM cashing in that juicy paycheck. Not a bad deal. You might even start working elsewhere. Clinton is empty. Nobody will notice.
If you play your cards right, you can get NSI when you're supposed to move, choose the PIL option, and look for another job while getting paid by the company (you can do that while you do your day job, but it's more fun to be at home getting paid by DW and not even feign interest in EM).
And remember, if you're over 40, you have 3 weeks to decide on PIP or PIL. Under 40, you have 1 week. Make sure to maximize those weeks.
Also, read HR's website. Plenty of articles in there that you can use to your advantage if you're cunning.
Just remember that if your job can be done from home it can be done from India.
The people from California materia got a bonus to stay for a few years. Some of them already left and some will leave next year. They Will get a relocation payout of 20 to 30k. I only know of a few of them that were allowed to stay in California and work remote. These specials were well liked and travel a lot. I would get something lined out for work and then leave. No special treatment for you. Do not come to baytown it is a sh-t hole. All of the plants su-k as well. There is no good place to work at exxon anymore. Emhc is tolerable for now. Emtec is cutting labor and shifting to btc.
Agree with the previous comment. If you have no intention to move, you need to seriously look for a job and leave once you found it if it is before the time is up. As long as you did not receive anything to move you just need to give 2 weeks notice. Exceptions to stay “home” will be extremely rare. They do plan on high attrition to make the numbers work.
If you elect not to move you better have another job because your employment will be in TX. The only people who have had long term work from home arrangements are those near retirement 1-2 years and they do have to come to campus now and then the employee’s own expense. In some rare cases we have kept people on as a contractor. You would need to be deemed critical and impossible to replace. You would have to have a major high level sponsor for that.
If you are in the second wave you have 18 months to find something else. NJ is dead to XOM. Find another job and move on. This is how it worked for the Fairfax move. This should have been done at the merger. You got more years in NJ than any other company would have allowed. We are an Oil, Gas, Refining and Chemical company. Those are based in Texas.
The company wants you to leave so there is no special treatment.
Good Luck with your decision.
First wave decision deadline in 4/1/25 but not sure about second wave. If the second wave deadline is different, basically your only option is to wait until COB of that day and deliver your decision. I’ve heard requests to move your relo date and extend your time at Clinton have been getting denied. I’m very curious how the “no severance” for MPTs will work out in the long run. I suspect it’s a tactic to get people to quit before they have to be paid out.
Asking a layoff board. You know the answer to your question you silly goose