I was talking to an independent firm manager the other day and they told me what their reps were making and how much the firm they work for gets. I saw a report that said we have about 6500+ independents spread across Fire and Auto Claims. Roughly 35% of our claims workforce. They have to work 10 hours a day, 6 days a week minimum. On average we are paying them basically $100,000+ a year. Yes the have no benefits or pension but Express, ILR, Complex, HRU, Stewardship, Sub, TL...etc...how does that make you feel when you are cleaning up their messes!!! They are banking over a $100,000+ a year and your working basically the same hours with all the mandatory OT. Suckerssssszzz! Even worse, just do the math. 6500 independents X $100,000 a year is $650 million or more a year and we have been doing this for almost 2 years. WOW!!! .... that is over a billion dollars we have invested in people who could care less about SF and you clean up their mistakes for a third of the pay all day long!!!! I think we should give Tipsy another $20 million dollar bonus because anyone that can get away with this kind of highway robbery deserves it! Laughs all the way to the bank saying he can't believe those id--ts are that stupid! Crooks!!!! I love corporate America!
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There is no such thing as a free lunch. I know an independent that has worked exclusively with sf assignments for 15 years for the Fire company. Yes the pay is good on paper. BUT, no pension, no medical, no 401k, pay for your own equipment, use your own vehicle/gas, travel to any 48 states on a short notice, away from home for 6+ months at a time, working 70+ hours a week, can't be home for wife and kids. Pay rent from town to town, poor diet, no exercise, no time for any leisure activities. So, there are quite a bit of sacrifices. It is not for everyone. If you think it is so good, leave the hub and try to be an independent for 6 months and see if it is the life for you.
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Re: Executive "salaries".
Tippy might be in line, but all of those payouts are, quite frankly, on the back of not paying labor what they are worth. CEO pay is exploitive in nature.
Long ago when I was one of you SFers my TM told me that any time an employee mentioned unions he was supposed to notify his SM asap. Not surprising, I know
and neither is the fact that life quality is trending downward for auto claims. I know the pleasure of being 90 days from leaving, and every claim I touched, I calendared for 90 days hence. Our claims load was increased by about 4x back in around 2011 and since then has become unbearable, I don't care what anyone else says.
No one is forming a union. Everyone will collect their bonus, bi--h and cry and keep right on doing the same jobs. Why? They are incapable of anything else.
I’m guessing @xwa, @qn1, and@1wk are executives trying to distract from the original post and real issues, which are the constant OT, the externals, low pay. I wonder if they are the ones who posted all the trump vs Biden stuff on the union thread trying to Distract people from all the pro union posts. I noticed it didn’t start till the post asking for ideas on how the hubs can start getting organized to start a union. Much like they did here with @ile’s post calling for ideas on how to start organizing. Say what you want about the union posts from a few years ago. It looks like more and more employees are getting sick of the constant sh-t upper management forces on them and there looks to be more support for it now then ever before
Question… do new hires have to possess a college degree?
So, my numbers are not inflated they are exact-they have this thing called the internet and ceo pay is public. As I suspected your numbers don’t exist except in discussions with beer buddies. You got caught expressing an opinion as a fact. Busted.
@1RII clearly you didn’t pay attention to the entire post. Yes I think it’s disgusting that CEO’s all CEO’s pay themselves that much. Although your numbers are a little inflated for a few of the companies. My main point is that State Farm pays their claims employees lower wages then what is considered normal for the industry. That is why they keep bleeding claims employees left and right. It is why they aren’t attracting née talent and why they are losing the talented employees they do have. It’s all said and good to say having externals is cheaper, it’s really not. Especially when a good part of your internal employees day is fixing the external hires mistakes instead of working claims. Also the constant mandatory overtime that’s needed because SF can’t maintain its own workforce is causing more employees to leave. Every month for the past 6 months we have been told it’s the last month of mandatory overtime. The workers no longer believe it. SF needs to stop lying to it’s employees and needs to stop selling that Mandatory OT is a good thing for the company. It really isn’t and brings down moral. This is also why you will see many employees quitting after the bonus and those new hires will only be replacing the employees that leave and everyone will still be working overtime. Has to the reason I’m still at SF. Call me a optimist, I’m hoping the company will wake up and start treating the employees better. However I do have my resume updated and if the mandatory OT and less pay continue I will be leaving.
@1RII clearly you didn’t pay attention to the entire post. Yes I think it’s disgusting that CEO’s all CEO’s pay themselves that much. Although your numbers are a little inflated for a few of the companies. My main point is that State Farm pays their claims employees lower wages then what is considered normal for the industry. That is why they keep bleeding claims employees left and right. It is why they aren’t attracting née talent and why they are losing the talented employees they do have. It’s all said and good to say having externals is cheaper, it’s really not. Especially when a good part of your internal employees day is fixing the external hires mistakes instead of working claims. Also the constant mandatory overtime that’s needed because SF can’t maintain its own workforce is causing more employees to leave. Every month for the past 6 months we have been told it’s the last month of mandatory overtime. The workers no longer believe it. SF needs to stop lying to it’s employees and needs to stop selling that Mandatory OT is a good thing for the company. It really isn’t and brings down moral. This is also why you will see many employees quitting after the bonus and those new hires will only be replacing the employees that leave and everyone will still be working overtime. Has to the reason I’m still at SF. Call me a optimist, I’m hoping the company will wake up and start treating the employees better. However I do have my resume updated and if the mandatory OT and less pay continue I will be leaving.
Uh Oh-looks like @1rii gets 5 Pinocchios for not telling the truth. Hahahaha.
Every CEO and downline leaders have their same dirty hands in the same dirty projects. Clowns
@1rii-so that we may all take your post seriously and not chalk it up to BS please share the companies names and starting salaries vs State Farm. I will start on the executive side.
Allstate CEO 21M, AIG CEO 20M, CHUBB CEO 20M,State Farm CEO 20M, GEICO CEO 19M, Liberty Mutual CEO 18M, Progressive CEO 15M.
Your turn. No answer means BS.
@xwa clearly you aren’t paying attention to what other companies are offering has starting salaries for claim adjusters among other positions in the company if you were you would know that what State Farm pays on average is 10-15k less then what other companies are paying their employees, and yes I think it’s gross that top executives in this company aka tippy in the past five years has increased his own salary from 15 mill to over 20 mill not including all the bonuses. They talk about how when we save the company money it increases the bonuses but lately the workers bonuses have decreased while the top executives bonuses have increased. So I guess there goes my incentive to save the company money by really pushing edit, and emailed total loss package along with electronic payments. Has history has shown the bigger the gap between the wealthy and the middle class the worse the economy does. Last time we had this big of a gap the Great Depression happened. Shortly followed by unions that saw to the workers interest and the development of the middle and upper middle class.
Don’t bother dude, you are arguing with a 6 year old.
@ile-so, let me get this straight you want executive to be paid less than the industry and employees paid more than the industry? Whether you are an employee or an executive (or in between) the marketplace literally sets the compensation.
They are worth every penny, and fyi, they return phone calls in a timely manner.
We need to start getting organized in all the hubs to start a union. It’s the only way things will get better. Every year things have been getting worse. The executives of this company with their huge pay increases and bonuses have been treating the company has their own personal hedge fund and that doesn’t work with insurance. Instead of huge pay increases for themselves they should invest the money back into the company. Aka, better pay to attract new employees and help retain the employees they have.
An illusion of growth? Wow please don’t tell those millions of new customers they are just a figment of your imagination. Betting on a recession? Minion mindset.
Tipsy was bound and determined to not loose the #1 spot on his watch or at our 100 anniversary. He cut everything as deep as he could to buy the business and give an illusion of growth. They know exactly what they are doing. Expenses including indemnity payments are going up, they just aren't talking about it because the rate increases are coming. What they are betting on is later this year we start moving into a recession which a lot of economist are predicting but who knows. Labor market tightens back up. They are playing a deadly game and I agree claims is going down a dark place and so many people will leave after they get their EIP. I hope they do! I also hope we have a huge Cat year which just completely folds the claim model and Tipsy has to finally admit it is all his fault and resigns...doubt it will happen. Everyone in claims is screwed and this OT will never stop. Claims leadership said they will have it stabilized by the end of the first quarter which is laughable!
Claims is in a free fall , OP. You confuse wanting to use independents to having to use them . SF can’t hire enough new reps and can’t keep their long term handlers. Once we get paid the bonus and handlers are tired of working mandatory OT you will see things get fun. We are going down a very bad place in claims .
@udp+1f7f4LY0- clearly you aren't in claims.
The strategy to utilize independent adjusters has ramped up over the last 5 years. Obviously the bean counters did the math and it was still cheaper than paying in-house workers salary, medical, pto, work comp, pension, equipments.... The focus is to cut cost, without emphasis on quality or maintaining rhe brand image.
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