Unfortunately politicians are not paying any attention to this important issue
They are paying attention to whatever their donors deem important. And one of the biggest donor sectors is tech billionaires and they like the Democrats, who are basically running things (for now).
It is not just H1B that is taking US citizen's (including white, Asian, etc) jobs. companies are sending US jobs to India, East Europe, Canada and other countries for more profitability. While there is constant layoffs in the US, it should be illegal to hire citizens of other countries just because they are cheaper. Unfortunately politicians are not paying any attention to this important issue that is causing suffering for so many US citizens.
“ Amazing, layoffs are ongoing while hiring of h1bs is ongoing!”
Get the hint. Instead of putting the Indians in a room with blacks as suggested, put all the whites in a room and have them learn from immigrants how to work harder and earn the right to keep their job. 🫨🫨🫨🫨🫨
Put some H-1Bs in a conference room with blacks and hispanics and you will see the real racism. It aint't the whites. Indians hate black and hispanics with a passion. just look in the org structure. Not one Indian manager has a team with whites, blacks, or hispanics. they only hire indians
It's a white ceo laying off Indians and somehow it's the Indians fault? Sounds like a lot of white folk on this forum still think it's the 1800s
Legitimate criticism of this tawdry, corrupt process does not make one a racist.
This! ^^^
Irrespective of H1b, GC or citizenship, Asians or Americans, Cisco has to stop these hiring managers from onboarding their pre-identified candidates. Like Google, there should be centralized interview. Once the centralized team short list deserving candidates then Hiring manager should interview if wants to hire else should get lost. In Cisco hiring is a mafia, nepotism and money laundering. Recruiters are anyway doing brainless and order taking jobs, they have no role in Cisco. All recruiters need to be fired ASAP.
On top of all these DEI is a big BS.
Not enough US citizens are in decent Universities with related degrees; especially in Graduate schools.
That's the symptom, not the cause. I remember the days BEFORE Comp Sci degrees.
20 years later, they were the biggest schools in many universities. Every man and his dog wanted to get into IT. But now? Many IT departments are sorry shadows of their former size.
Why? Competition from H1B (or equivalent) and off-shoring.
Got laid off and our indian director laid off 700 people and made us train our replacements for 12 weeks and keep our mouths shut
Every company is going through massive layoffs and then offshoring to india
Two things need to be clarified here: (1) H1B that CISCO hires directly - CISCO has to go with a Labor condition cert and prove that CISCO pays those people at market. Some(majority?) of the current hiring managers were supplied with resumes 90%+ on those. Even with fresh grads. The main reason? Not enough US citizens are in decent Universities with related degrees; especially in Graduate schools. For those small percentages of US citizens, good ones already got options for companies far better than CISCO out there. This has been the case since 1990. If you are asking why hiring managers are unwilling (in general) to consider LRed folks? That is another long topic.
(2) H1B from staffing companies - those are just red badges, CISCO does not care much as long as those companies have documents that meet the regulations!
It's nothing to do with visa or anything.
It's simple, the people that corrupt the US political system with money didn't want to be beholden to a small number IT people that cost them too much money. They wanted an oversupply of people.
This is the opposite of what unions do: they try to restrict the supply of labour and set minimum conditions through them being the sole supplier of that labour.
And yet people on here want to support unions AND support cheaper imported labour?
It's not about race, it's simply a scam to flood the market with cheaper "goods" and people in the US should want it properly regulated.
It is my experience too that skills count for more than just education. But it is just not possible to categorize visa holders as “unskillful” just because they come from a different country. What is the guarantee that citizens have more education/skill than H1B holders? The best person for the job does not depend on the citizenship status.
Do the needful
@1oqt+1udz5LUL, Perfect. Then why should someone’s visa status rather than those objective metrics be a decision factor to keep vs LR an employee? The visa status is being singularly called out here as being problematic on this thread.
Yes, the most common criticism I see of H1B is that they have education INSTEAD of skills.
In my team, the difference in the resume of H1Bs versus citizens, just in terms of education is extremely large.
Education is worth nothing if you can't apply what you've learned and you can't keep growing. My experience on many high end teams at Cisco is that neither H-1Bs nor citizens had even the most basic software skills and many objective code metrics back this up. This goes for Engineer 1 through Distinguished Engineer.
A large number of H1B employees in Cisco have an MS degree. Go look at Software, PM and TAC teams, some of them have PhDs too. Yes, if you have H1Bs being hired without those, that may not be fair. But spare a thought for someone who has spent 1000s of dollars in this economy studying and living in a foreign land. In my team, the difference in the resume of H1Bs versus citizens, just in terms of education is extremely large. Before spewing hate, look with an open heart and eye, the education background and resume of the employees. When a company has to layoff, they also look at the output and the background of the employee. If an H1B employee keeps their jobs over citizens, there must be a deeper reason.
The original intent of H1B was to import talent that was in short supply in the US. The corporate donor class didn’t like paying too much, so this was a way to moderate wages in IT. It should have been a short-medium term fix until colleges could train more grads, but here we are.
Over time, it morphed into a way for global (Indian) outsourcers to get “on the job” training from US staff before shifting their function to India. At one time (not checked recently) the VAST, VAST majority of H1B visas went to organization like WiPro, Tech Mahindra, and the rest.
Legitimate criticism of this tawdry, corrupt process does not make one a racist.
I think there is a misunderstanding here. H1Bs are part of an extensively vetted legal immigration process. Similar job postings are posted for two months to ensure they are not replacing Americans. It is called Labor Market Survey I believe, not sure been decades since I went through this process. I would exercise caution about spewing hate solely on legal immigrants or white or dei-based preference or whatever people here seem to have a problem with. Let's hope such attitude against each other does not result in outsourcing of entire team.
Boss's reply:
Hi Americans,
Ok, since you guys have so much complaint about hiring H1B, we will stop hiring H1B. No thanks.
Hi HRs,
Open all headcount in India only.
Thanks
@1duu+1udz5LUL, visit RTP Bldg 8 Lobby. There's 72 pages of H1B jobs posted there and everyone of them says "multiple positions available."
The job listings have to be posted for 2 weeks and were posted on 8/15/24, the day after the earnings call when the ELT said they were LR'ing 7% of our workforce.
How do you know they are hiring h1b? If it’s the advertisements in some places, I believe that’s necessary even for visa renewals. There are reqs and the point is no one joins but h1b’s - but with constant layoffs and delays in processing because of them, even the h1b pool will dry out. That’s why they’re looking at Eastern Europe and Mexico and India
Source ?
Don’t forget acquisitions and uber expensive sales conference also happening. US and Western Europe employees do not matter to the ELT.
You can also work the h1b much more than the local candidate. Having complete power over a persons residency is priceless.
Soon USA will only have H1B jobs, and all Americans look for jobs in India 😂
Isn’t it illegal to pay H1B for the same role as local candidate with less pay?
This should not come as any surprise...
Sounds like a smart & legal method to cut costs.