I certainly would not. Not interested in moving to Dearborn to be underpaid, underappreciated and undervalued.
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After you've been cut
And you realize you're in the deep end of the pool
And you're wondering how this could have possibly happened to you
I want you to remember the post that you made
Have a good one
I came back to the office 5 days per week. I only put in 2 hours of work a day, but gets paid 6 figure income. I love Ford.
Ford leadership is not Tough enough to demand their employees to come out of basement. They issued a soft 3 days /week mandate email... which is royally ignored. People come in the morning couple days/ week, and check out before lunch. Everyone is sitting in the space, hiding behind laptop screen with ear plugs stuck in ears... listening to music or a podcast !! Execs are afraid even to mention the need for full day presence in office, knowing that the parking lots get emptied out after lunch... With such an avoidant isolationist culture and passion-less people, it will be tough to comepete with likes of Amazon. Even the younger Gen Z have quickly lost the passion for collaboration, and prefer to stay in basements rather than meeting teammates in office !!!
if i could get an amazon gig for $250k/yr, i tell you what... i'd be cranking out work as fast as i could in-office. yes, sir!
If remote work is the problem, and RTO is the solution, why is there no push to return all work to in country and even in house? Why are jobs increasingly moved to remote locations and suppliers? Hmmm ... maybe all the focus on RTO is in fact misguided energy and effort, which in turn is ultimately why Ford is struggling.
Plant salary here and we go in everyday since site dependent. I believe if your work is not site dependent then wfh is fine as long as you put in the time. I do not agree with the other site dependent salary who believe "if I have to.be in you should also ". They are being petty and entitled.
I would come into the Dearborn office 5 days but probably only part days. I’d work early hours or late hours from home to avoid traffic. I’m still on the pension plan trying to get to 30 years of service.
@1zrw+1uyHVIfx Unlike you, other people have options. They are free to exercise their choices, including getting fired for not RTOing.
I don't really like being at Ford these days. We are behind technically, and we are dealing with a mix of outdated concepts and bad implementation of newer technologies. Moral is in the toilet, and is hard to accomplish anything. However, the combination of salary and light workload is difficult to find someplace elsewhere, so I am staying for now. I am too old to be naive about finding the perfect job. I have found several "perfect jobs" during my career, Ford was one of them several years ago, just to see them crumble due to changes in the team or management.
I am no longer "angry". Anger is good, because it means people still care. I don't care anymore. I have detached myself from the company, as a way to protect myself emotionally, and I keep saving money, as a way to protect myself financially.
Because I have enough funds to cover my expenses for over a year, when the RTO time comes, I'll crunch the numbers logically and dispassionately. If it makes sense to me, I'll RTO. If not, I won't.
No need to bend myself out of shape for this company, or this job. However, I understand the anger of those, like me, that took decisions based on the "WFH forever" policy implemented 4 years ago. Some bought bigger houses or spent money in remodeling to accomodate the office at home. Others got ridden of their vehicles and changed their habits. Meaning RTO will cost thousands of dollars to some folks here.
Add the lack of desks, the open space design, the increased outsourcing of jobs (meaning more time on Webex which in turn makes less sense in RTOing), and for many people that do care about the company or their livelihood, of course they are upset.
So you feel free to RTO 5 days a week, but don't patronize your coworkers with your half thought comments. We are all adults here (unless Ford is using child labor), and each of us is facing our own problems and challenges. Most people at Ford work because they need the paycheck, and we take seriously those things that affect that paycheck, like layoffs and RTO.
Working from home has been a disaster for Ford ... The stock and quality has declined. Nothing special about Ford anymore and reliance on big gas Trucks is just ridiculous. EV is a disaster and draining money towards bankruptcy.
My team in Ottawa has been told that we will need to switch to 5 days in the new year. The rumours that there is no space just isn’t true.
What people fail to notice is that it has been a slow roll out for the better part of the last 2 years or so. We can't do the sudden 5 days immediately like Amazon due to the many issues people already raised but I do agree that we'll see more changes come January
No, it’s not coming in January.
It’s coming in January.
If they tell us to return 5 days per week then we will all return 5 days per week. If you don't you'll be fired. Unceremoniously fired.
Don't you all ever get tired of being angry?
If you aren't happy here then leave.
No. It's not necessary for every person to be RTO 5 days.
And if mgmt wants to be Amazon and force it - then all those high paid directors, executives etc that we have been hiring need to also be in the Dearborn offices 5 days where the majority of your people are.
Everyone one of us has a desk already. It's your car. You can eat, sleep, work, or whatever, in it. Just find a place to park near a wireless signal.
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Maybe look into getting a RFID emulator to clone the badges and then there’s no need to carry other people badges and less suspicious if someone sees you with a handful of badges
This is serious advice that I have been personally doing. Manage your time and meetings properly. As a software engineer, you'll notice you only interface with your people leader one or two days per week in person. Identify the routine and have close colleagues badge you in. When I come to campus I have 6 badges with me. We have a shared pool.
Cameras are a reactionary security measure for a few more years. Ford will get AI to face scan in the future to get campus access. Until then, scan baby scan.
Our useless HR and F&F let people undermine the company constantly. And without discipline.
Take the clown in our dept that takes company vehicles everyday for his side hustle. HR and mgmt been told a reported countless times over many years and they do nothing.
That's what F&F protection can do for you. Join the club if you can.
@1jwv+1uyHVIfx - Your job will be farmed out either way. While I agree with the sentiment, it's becoming more and more obvious that hard work doesn't really pay off given the new rating system. Also the 2022 layoffs that included many high performers. Be honest all you want...thats a great sentiment. But whatever gets you to sleep at night.
Terrible advice and I hope you’re not serious. This isn’t the automakers first rodeo. As they realize folks aren’t actually coming in even though badges are swiped cameras will get installed at doors if they aren’t already.
I grew up east of Flint and old UAW retirees would brag how their buddies would swipe their badge in while they’d be at home watching TV. Sh-t like that is one of many reasons why so many auto plants in Flint got shut down / farmed out. Do it in the office and your job will get farmed out too.
Down vote me if you want but who really believes they can undermine an employer and not eventually be disciplined?
Give me a desk. A space to call my own. A place where I can keep a box of tissues, and a picture or two.
Give me that, and I'll be back five days per week willingly.
Without a spot to call my own, I feel resentment going in. I'll do it for the paycheck of course, but it doesn't make me a happy employee. It doesn't make me willing to go the extra mile for the pi-s poor management and executives we have.
The most productive people were already used to coming into the office 5 days a week prior to 2020. They may prefer the WFH setup, but will go back to the office without a problem. The people complaining most are semi-retired or part time anyway. The complainers are easily replaced by a recent graduate, or LCC employee, especially since they aren't willing to mentor anyone like a legitimate experienced person.
Quit whining. Manufacturing salaried have been RTO'd 5-7 days a week since May 2020. Get back to the office like the rest of us.
I plan to get a 2nd job and keep both for as long as I can manage. 4 years from retirement now. With 2 engineering jobs, I will only have to work 2 years.
"To all those refusing to RTO. I’d like to thank you for volunteering to be laid off and saving the rest of us who are willing to work."
Happy to do it. Have at it, and have fun fixing the disaster and doing all the additional work.
If RTO are forced for 5 days, they need to give us permanent desks and have sufficient parking.
To all those refusing to RTO. I’d like to thank you for volunteering to be laid off and saving the rest of us who are willing to work.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
When they make all these clueless PD engineers from Brazil come to Dearborn then I might think about it. These people do not know what they are doing.
Have a co-worker that lives near the office scan your badge at the office everyday for you. Problem solved. Buy them avocado toast occasionally as a thank you.
Why work at Ford in the first place, OP? Quit now.
It's going ...
It's coming ...
Hmmm...my dept keeps hiring fully remote people and expects me to be in person for three days a week. Doesn't make any sense. Manage for the sake of managing? I get less in compensation simply because of my distance from Dearborn due to driving in... But this is par for the course from our upper (mis) management. Sell it under the need to collaborate yet hire remotely. BRILLIANT
@OP. Maybe. It would depend on my financial situation, the job market and the costs involved at that time. However, any RTO would be only for the time needed to find my next job.
I’ve been doing 3 days. I guess I would end up doing more if I had to. Feels like a huge step backwards to even suggest it.
For what? Half my team are a scattered around the world. When I’m in the office, I’m on WebEx anyway.
Seems like a waste of time to me. No.
@OP, best of luck in your job search.