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Makes You Wonder What Our Internal Emails Might Reveal Regarding Dinobaby Extinction

IBM Emails Show Millennial Workers Favored Over Dinobabies

Josh Eidelson - Yesterday 9:04 PM
Source: Bloomberg

(Bloomberg) -- IBM executives discussed in emails how to force out older workers and derided them as “Dinobabies” who should be made an “Extinct species,” according to a court filing in an age discrimination case against the company.

The communications show “highly incriminating animus” against older employees by officials who at the time were in the company’s “highest ranks,” according to the filing Friday.

The partially redacted filing says the emails surfaced in separate arbitration proceedings but it doesn’t reveal the identities of the company officials or indicate when they were speaking. A judge has ordered the release of versions of the underlying documents.

In one email chain, an International Business Machines Corp. official described a plan to “accelerate change by inviting the ‘dinobabies’ (new species) to leave” and turn them into an “Extinct species,” according to the filing. Company officials also complained about IBM’s “dated maternal workforce” that “must change,” and discussed frustration that IBM had a much lower share of millennials in its workforce than a competitor, but said its share would increase following layoffs, according to the filing.

An IBM spokesperson said in a statement that the company never engaged in systematic age discrimination, and it terminated employees because of changing business conditions, not because of their age. In 2020, the median age of IBM’s U.S. workforce was 48, the same as it was in 2010, according to the statement.

The spokesperson also said the language cited in the emails “is not consistent with the respect IBM has for its employees and as the facts clearly show, it does not reflect company practices or policies.”

IBM Is Being Sued for Age Discrimination After Firing Thousands

The company faces age bias complaints in arbitration and court proceedings by former employees across the country. A former IBM vice president of human resources said in a court deposition in one of the cases that the company faced talent recruitment problems and determined one way to show millennials that IBM was not “an old fuddy duddy organization” was to make itself appear “as [a] cool, trendy organization.”

Friday’s filing was submitted by Shannon Liss-Riordan, a lawyer who represents hundreds of workers suing the company.

“IBM has engaged in egregious age discrimination,” Liss-Riordan said in an interview Friday. “IBM has tried to use arbitration clauses to shield that evidence from the public and other employees who are trying to build their cases of discrimination.”

The case is Lohnn v. International Business Machines Corp., 21-cv-06379, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York.

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Post ID: @OP+1fgrMeL2

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The young poster who thinks older workers needs to go hadn't put his phone down to take the time to read the legal filings. If they care to, look up Langley v IBM & Kinney v IBM (16 LITIGENTS). It tells each of their stories. These were excellent employees & the young ppl some were made to train were not smart enough to grasp the material & were unable to build client relationships. You cant buy the expertise, rapport or experience older workers (& 55 -65 is not old in today's world where ppl are living longer or need/want to work) . The three people who made the "old heads," "Grey hairs," "dinobabies," et al statements are shameful CEO Ginni Rometty (sitting on several boards & the The Council of Foreign Affairs) , VP of HR, Diane Gershon (now teaching at Harvard! How?! No vetting!) & CFO James Kavanaugh. They were all in their late 50s/60s when this headchopping began & ended from 2012-2020. It was ProPublica's 2018 article that lead to the EEOCs investigation & the discovery of all the emails. If XOM employees get laid if, they only have to file a complaint for age discrimination. If enough employees file a case an investigation is opened. They'll go down too. Just dont sign papers. I hope IBM pays dearly.

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Post ID: @gdcg+1fgrMeL2

@1nxs Very unlikely a case like this gets to that point.

The ageist douchebag will (at most) be terminated or resign, and the case will be settled out of court. There’s a reason why these companies have people sign stacks of documents during onboarding. Nowadays, companies make you sign an NDA just to be interviewed. Really. That’s how litigious and dysfunctional employment has become in America.

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Post ID: @2jca+1fgrMeL2

XOM needs to make the dinobabies extinct also. They never help us and expect us to work long hours to figure it out. The white male dinobabies need to be made extinct this year or we will quit. What will XOM do then? This place not a cool place to work.

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Post ID: @2ncf+1fgrMeL2

@1mfm+1fgrMeL2
Not so fast. It all depends on the jury.

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Post ID: @1nxs+1fgrMeL2

@1ilf+1fgrMeL2 Do you want to round them up and put them in concentration camps, too? You’re such a hypocritical fool! There is a special place for people like you.

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Post ID: @1ztp+1fgrMeL2

@1ilf+1fgrMeL2 Do you know how stupid you sound?

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Post ID: @1wxf+1fgrMeL2

I agree with IBM - old white males need to go, they have destroyed this once great company just like they are destroying the country. Exxon needs to continue to target and NSI all white males over 40. White males have never contributed anything to this company or this country, they just steal from everyone else. Get rid of white males and change this company.

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Post ID: @1ilf+1fgrMeL2

@OP Doesn’t matter.

Here’s a short and dirty for the old white guys who are (justifiably) ticked-off about being targeted for PIPs/layoffs: it is almost impossible to pin discriminatory intent on a company like IBM or EM in court. Not just for age, but for anything.

A single alleged email written by an alleged douchebag wouldn’t be proof of a company policy targeting people because of their age. Corporate attorneys (some of the best in the world) will dissect the language used, splice wording, provide alternative meanings, and pick through every minor infraction the employee bringing the suit has ever committed in order to discredit them and sow doubt. At most, the employees who make discriminatory remarks are terminated, their managers reassigned, and whole thing is swept under the rug, usually in the form of a generous severance package and/or out of court settlement with an NDA attached.

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Post ID: @1mfm+1fgrMeL2

Well paid corporate lawyers offer ironclad protection until some big boss writes unvarnished emails and somebody leaks them… I’m sure IBM also had well paid corporate lawyers.
The problem is that top “leadership” have a God complex and can’t accept that rules, such as not to writing incriminating messages, apply to them as well. What’s the fun of being almighty and on top of the world, if you have to follow to the letter rules dictated by boring lawyers?

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Post ID: @1mpf+1fgrMeL2

Is anyone aware of a class action lawsuit?

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Post ID: @1szu+1fgrMeL2

Definitely happening in Annandale, if your RE brace…..Frank says Hi!

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Post ID: @uxl+1fgrMeL2

As an added incentive to the company lawyers, did anyone else know that the various Law Departments were excused from the involuntary separation scheme in 2020/2021 ?

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Post ID: @opy+1fgrMeL2

The systemic elimination of older, better-paid workers is flying exactly under the legal radar at every large company who needs to do cuts. This is exactly what the legal team is in place to do. But put the blame where the blame lies. State laws. Companies do exactly what the law allows/requires them to do. Period.

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Post ID: @wvr+1fgrMeL2

As the first poster noted, XOM has the money and lawyers to divided and deny the claims, but social media and the internet can perpetuate the information far and wide to all. XOM may be big, but a group of dedicated influencers can knock them down like David did to Goliath.

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Post ID: @ssx+1fgrMeL2

Oh yeah! If a whistle blower from XOM leaks (and should) information about XOMs process on how the company systematically gets rid of above 40 workers in form of small unannounced layoffs and via PIPs and it is proven in the court of law the company would be dead. However, unfortunately XOM has a big legal team that gets fed large $$$ and their primary job is to provide a legally sustainable cover to cover up all of this and so if someone from HR and Legal team spill the beans it is unlikely that any such news like this from XOM will leak and even if it did the company has money to spend on lawyers and legal battles to continue dragging it for a long time to bankrupt the other party. Sh---y company with sh---y processes that only serves the interest of the top order and no one else.

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