Why not just layoff the person?
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say the wrong thing to a gubmint regulator or big lawsuit lawyer, and you're toast unless your name is Ford
Because someone is protecting them from being laid off. So they demote them so that they still have a job and a nice bonus and then re-promote them after all of the cuts.
@1elr+1nJE3xJV @ 30 years the pension goes up by at least $500k, if you take the lump sum. It can be higher based on grade level. To sc--w someone out of a $500k when they are over 50 and have no time to make up that savings is unconscionable. I'm sure if they were in their 40's and knew what would happen when they were within a few years of 30, they would have left the company for better pastures.
Squeezed the wrong butt?
@1elr+1nJE3xJV @ 30 years the pension goes up but a lot. In 2019 many people sued because they were within a year or two of 30 years and getting laid off cost then 100s of 1000s of $.
It's a snake move on Ford's part. The most unethical company in the world.
There is no such thing as a GSR contract. I was a GSR8 when I retired and was making $130k per year. I was brought back under contract at $100/hr.
The only measurable is your hourly rate and contract duration.
@1rwy...when you say june 2023 firings of 28 1/2: and 29 years got screwed on their pensions what do you mean? Were they not able to early retire and get also get severance? Or was it that they could not get additional 2 yr pension increase and supplement bump.
LL5 retired in November 2022. They brought her back as a GSR contract few months later. After the firings in June 2023 and people with 28 1/2 in 29 years losing their jobs and getting screwed on their pensions she as contractor is still here today.
Plenty of LL5s and LL6s were demoted during the 2008 depression. They were kept at their current pay rate and kept their benefits, the only exception was that their pay increased were stagnate. These positions were not PEPed as many of these employees were with the company up to 8/22. During the Way Forward I know of a very capable and hard working LL6 employee who was PEPed and told he had 9 months to find a job (LL6 or GSR) in the company. He was not able to find a job and like so many other skilled/knowledgeable employees left the company very disgusted.
I know of LL6 who got demoted to GSR. There's a certain length of time for them to find a new role in their current paygrade before they actually get demoted.
@yuf sometimes if someone is near a pension gate they will demote them, allow them to reach their pension gate and then give them a package to leave. This has happened with a number of LL5 to LL6 demotions and LL6 to GSR8 demotions. The demoted then make it to 30 yrs service as an example and then get a separation package. Whereas the non-protected employees just get cut before they hit their pension gates.
And yes, the demoted know the game that is being played and keep their mouths shut about it. A coworker was demoted during the 2019 SRD and kept on until he hit 55 yrs of age ( 8 months later), and then was released with a package. He was pulled into the LL3 office during the big 2019 SRD, given the paperwork with his future departure date and told to keep quiet about it. He spent the time getting certificates and applying for other jobs. He found another job 9 months after he started looking. So basically Ford paid him for 8 months to do no Ford work and then he got a severance package and his pension.
I know of an LL5 who was demoted to LL6 and was just laid off in the last round. It could be a reason to get laid off for the next round.
@OP they are being protected. There is an illusion of flattening the org structure, and the demoted person keeps their same salary and benefits. It is the Ford way. If none of the protected class want a package, they shuffle people around to create the illusion of an org change.
I actually take this as a good thing. I'd not heard of anyone ever being demoted, usually they are just moved to a new area to cause more issues. If someone was good at what they were doing one grade prior, but su-k at the next level, they should be able to go back rather than be fired. Anything else is somewhere between wasteful and mo--nic.
Now I'm not talking about the people that brown-nose in the good ole biys network to get ahead, but those who were excellent in a role and were promoted to a bad fit.
The way employees are protected once they ascend up to the LL ranks is a real head scratcher. It has played a role in the downfall of the company. Kind of like a patient with cancer, as opposed to remove the malignancy, the healthy parts of the body are removed. It’s a club and they are initiated. If you are not at that level, you are not in the club.
Thus why people are not buying our products. Group think is now the norm and they do their best to mask that down to the working level. Spouting stupid words of motivation which are absolutely meaningless. How many people sit in meetings where there are LLs that do not say one word? If they got paid by the word they would make more money than a NBA allstar.