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Psychological abuse

I work with a team mate who gets very excited about proving me wrong about something, and he would like to do it when there is a bigger audience - I bet he prepares everyday keenly for such an opportunity and lately one more person added himself to that cause.

These two people has no "easy" way of dealing with things. Sometimes I come on top when I prove them wrong, but I am getting tired of this competition and having to go to work everyday to such a toxic environment.

I assume there will be no one to help me? My manager is another cr--ker, HR I assume is just there to talk in all hands meetings assuring people of a "collaborative" environment, but to no avail.

Changing jobs - is that the only option I have ?

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Post ID: @OP+1htEiklE

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The best thing is to talk to your manager and tell examples of the occurence, and how you feel. Maybe that person is doing the same to others.

You really do not have to look for another job, bring in culture talks to your manager and stress about the culture in NetApp, I am sure that person will be warned. I had a similar experience which was solved out, but you need to have a good manager who is very open-minded and who doesn't take thing too personally.

Netapp is now ruined by pricks from lame organisations who are bringing their sh---y culture to the company.

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Post ID: @8ink+1htEiklE

Let me just say: I've experienced political bu-----t in this company and bad coworkers + bad management is not at all a good time.

If I'm being honest here, some of this (probably most of it) is actually on you. YOU give your coworkers the opportunity to prove you wrong by being uninformed (or less informed) on whatever topic they're "proving your wrong". But can you even know that them correcting you is malicious? Maybe they're more informed than you are and don't want to build the wrong solution / fix the wrong problem?

Let's play with this hypothetical:

In a hypothetical world, you are just as you are now (apparently and often wrong ). In this world, you DON'T have coworkers to correct you. You make bad calls because you are uninformed or flat out wrong. Eventually you lose your job or are demoted (on that path to being fired).

The question is this: are you worse off for having coworkers that correct you? How does them correcting you actually hurt you? Does it make you feel bad for being less informed? Does it make you feel inadequate? Or is it that them correcting you is exposing your inadequacy at your job and THAT is what makes you feel compelled to post something like this. You could look at this like a learning experience and choose to take what you can from them / learn what you can. But instead, your ego is hurt because a coworker or two often correct your wrongs and you've turned to whining about it on the internet.

Here's the truth: you are toxic. Probably more toxic than those that you are describing. Do you expect your coworkers to basically node their head yes in accordance with your stupidity?

You can and should know that what you say and do is provably right at work. If you're not 100% certain on a problem or topic, get to a place where you can be. Saying "I don't know, but I can learn" is a much better route to knowledge and experience than putting up a shallow facade of intelligence.

You can't control your coworkers. To be honest, what you've described as "abuse" is not really not so. Sure it's uncomfortable to be corrected in a group setting, but if you are right about something, present your evidence and stand your ground. If you're not, accept their counter evidence, thank them and move on.

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Post ID: @5ptk+1htEiklE

Start being competent and they won't have any ammunition.

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Post ID: @5zsw+1htEiklE

The real abuse is the vaccine mandates (even after SOCTUS struck it down).

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Post ID: @2tgm+1htEiklE

Thanks @1dvb+1htEiklE - I am the OP, you have described it better than I could.
Your words are definitely helpful - but, yeah in larger scheme of things, these as-----s who learnt to live in this filth shouldnt influence my way of life. If I am worth my salt, I should find a job that matches the quality that I am looking for.

Thanks, Again!

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Post ID: @1vco+1htEiklE

This sounds like every other SWE I've ever worked with at any company. They need to point out anything inaccurate or unclear, regardless of relevancy. Most of the time, in my estimation, it's nothing personal. It's a lack of social intelligence and probably mild autism.

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Post ID: @1wbg+1htEiklE

My team's issue was different. My manager and manager's manager were too friendly with each other. Top manager was oblivious. Top performers in the team were gaslighted to make manager look good. Slowly and steadily, top performers left the team.

My suggestion- Change the manager or change the job

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Post ID: @1lnz+1htEiklE

I had a similar problem, but it was with my manager. They were constantly setting me and almost everyone else on the team up. I would ask them a question like what's the priority A or B. They would tell me A and justify it. So I would put together the project plan with A as a priority and then in front of a VP while I was presenting they would start going why are you focused on A and not B? The first time I thought they were setting me up to shine, so I gave the answer they gave me, and they just ripped me apart. I brought it up after and they literally laughed in my face. This went on for a year until I had an email from them in the chamber on a decision, and in the middle of them giving me cr-p, I said I must have misunderstood your email and screen shared it. I was told to find another job by the end of the month or quit. Thankfully I found another team needing a PM that day. Oh, my boss. They're a VP at NetApp now.

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Post ID: @1bmn+1htEiklE

To me, what the OP is reporting doesn't sound like bullying necessarily, but rather professional hostility on an ongoing basis. This is more insidious and harder to deal with than straight bullying, in the sense that very subtly they try to make the person look incompetent, and he/she has to defend every single action or professional decision above and beyond what would normally be required. Trust (by teammates) is shaken and creativity is completely destroyed, their place taken by defensive measures and over-documenting every single step. I would recommend looking back at your career and finding the bright spots where you really outshone the others - you were younger then and you did it, now you have even more experience, no reason to doubt that you can do it again, this could very well be one of those scenarios repeating itself. There are situations where everybody else is absolutely wrong and you are right, unfortunately they will never admit it (certainly not the people who are behaving the way you are describing).
To address your question, I would say do whatever you yourself are satisfied with from a professional viewpoint, stand your ground and do not be intimidated by toxic co-workers - this is easier said than done, but at the end of the day you will have had the deep satisfaction that you made sound professional decisions under adversity, that is no small feat. And, yes, spend some time on your resume and look around for better and more friendly environments, they do exist.

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Post ID: @1dvb+1htEiklE

Did you talk to your manager about it? If they can’t help you, try your manager’s manager. It’s their job to sort this stuff out and the fact that you’re posting here sounds like either you have a poor relationship with your manager or they’re a bad manager. Both are good reasons to move on.

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Post ID: @1lzy+1htEiklE

I had that happen to me in front of a senior director - fortunately he stood up for me in front of several people that were there. If you could get more managers that would stop bullying but most there don’t. It did stop the behavior.

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Post ID: @1ctw+1htEiklE

I have been there, I am amazed that NetApp has got 4.2 out of 5 rating on Glassdoor. The abuse is very subtle and unreal, for a company that claims to be a place where everyone is supposedly taking care of each other, its absolutely a disgusting place to working at.

I was at that time was bound by my visa, couldnt move out of the company and couldnt move within, thank god I got out of that situation after a couple of years and my blood still boils even thinking about that.

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