Let's say XOM offers you a promotion with a nice raise but it's in another location, would you accept it? A friend did, and I think he made a huge mistake. I know people used to do this all the time but times were different then. Right now, I think he's taking a major risk. He might be moving his entire family to another state with the risk of being laid off at any moment hanging over his head. He doesn't believe that's the case but let's be realistic. Different people decided who gets promoted and who gets laid off. If the second group doesn't like how his pay looks in their spreadsheet, he's as good as gone.
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But if you move from upstream to downstream I still don’t understand why is this done.
Because the headcount is in different companies
This is exactly what I have seen happen.
Easy. You’ve moved on to a new dept and not backfilled, now old group is down one hc. Come ranking time if it’s recent enough to still be in old rank group, old sup can throw you under the bus to be the sacrificial goat and still protect all his current staff.
No need for statistics or game theory here.
No analysis can lead to a decision on this.
At this point in EM, you are just a piece of equipment.
Electron spectroscope in cobwebs, maybe, but that's the truth.
Why your old supervisor would PIP you since if you quit the impact is in another group and does not help the headcount of the old group?
Your really sol. Company expects mobility– do it and get stuck or don’t do it and get fired. Choose best option, leave and find a new career. K bye!
I wouldn’t move. Update mobility section of career connect.
In today's environment, if you are asked to relocate and you decline, you are going to the bottom 8% NSI as an employee that is not a "good fit for the corporation."
If you say yes to a relocation, you may still not have a long term career.
Key question to ask yourself is: "If I relocate to location XYZ, is my family and me willing to live there for the rest of our career. (a.k.a. never accept a relocation assignment unless you are willing to stay there for the rest of your career."
Too many employees have taken rotational assignments only to be told after 2–3 years, "We no longer have a job for you in your former location."
Times were different then? How so? You don’t think boomers ever got laid off or left to rot in some small town? You think corporate relocation policies came anywhere close to covering employee home sale losses and relo costs? Different then? Yeah, a h#ll of a lot worse than today.
I can personally vouch for this. Transferred and then found out I was NSI'd by old group, new mgr in new location got to deal with the PIP (did not complete). And I was left holding the mortgage on a new house in a city I would not have moved to other than through company relo.
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I flagged this PADP behavior (previous rank group sacrificing transferred employee) with HR and told them they need to look at the statistics on it. I got crickets from them. I think it is rampant, especially with the new system allowing for unlimited downward movement.
Concern is that there are spineless supervisors who will PIP you after you leave so that the receiving organization has to deal with the impact to morale that comes with firings.
If they intend to PIP you there is no need to transfer you first. Spineless orgs do that as a way to avoid having to go through the work that comes along with firing someone.
Seem to be some managers in desperate need of people downtime on this thread. Maybe if you treated people better they wouldn’t all resign and you wouldn’t need backfills.
@bvk+1aulD5wi – If you relo into a small town and have no exit plan when something happens. That's on you. Exxonmobil doesn't force you to buy a home there
Be careful where you go if you go. Many assets are up for sale and people go with the asset. The person buying it often then does a layoff or treats the people as second class to their own heritage employees. Just ask heritage Mobil employees what it was like when Exxon bought them.
Lol, oh how naive you are.
Right now relocate? He–l no. If fired in some small town with no jobs what would you do?
If sending org pips you, then you moving or not moving has zero bearing on where you ranked.
Not sure why @OP finds those comments helpful at all if main concern is new org throwing you out. In all examples here, sending org didn't want you and pushed you out the door one way or another.
Maybe Mr. Midland isn’t so egotistical as to think that what he has seen applies to all sites everywhere. I certainly don’t think I’ve seen it all and know it all. Maybe he is a new hire who has only worked there and doesn’t have a large network yet. Grow up.
If you must go insist on a TDA rather than full relocation. Several were wise enough to use this approach in the Permian.
I find comments like Mr Midlands helpful. If people have personal experience with it vá blanket statements like this happens across the upstream as you did.
Also my friend was actually being asked to move to Midland so comment is spot on in my case.
I’ve seen people transferred from US to Canada be PIPd upon arrival in Canada. At least it was a foreign assignment so the company moved them back. If it had been domestic they would have left them in their new location.
Oh lord. Midland office is full of a bunch of mo--ns. To think one location is indicative the what is going on through the organization. 🙄
I once saw a guy transfer to another organization then get PIP'd from the sending organization. Omg!! This is rampant across the company and is happening everywhere. Lol. Upstream is such a joke. No wonder exxonmobil is a sh-t show right now with the worst performance of all majors. We employ people like Mr midland here.
I’d move back from Midland to Houston in a heartbeat. I’d be getting a raise due to the lower cost of living in Houston since they cut our cost of living adjustment out here. Luckily I am renting out here as company doesn’t cover 100% of home sale loss and I know those who bought in Midland are regretting it due to prices falling off a cliff.
Not always true that those who bring you in do ranking. Depends on timing. If you transfer between Oct and end of assessment cycle sending org ranks you. The supervisor that brought you in can be transferred etc.
I’ve seen people be moved and then PIPd a few months later multiple times. Both domestic and foreign relocations. Don’t think for a minute being moved gives you some kind of protection because the company paid for a relocation.
You are either naive or new. In Midland office there are examples of just this. People were transferred to Midland then ranked as NSI by their sending organization due to when they moved (October cutoff) resulting in being fired. True it is a poor use of company money but you are assuming logic is used. Others moved out and then were NSI by loc management left holding the bag on a house that they owe more on than they can sell for in a small oil town with no jobs. People had to move themselves to find a new job.
Maybe this is why the company is cutting moving benefits. They are no longer tax assisted. You will see the lump sum is about a third less due to tax withholding.
You’d be stupid to transfer right now especially if dual career and your partner has to quit their job to make the move. Update your CareerConnect and say mobility is limited due to personal reasons for the next couple of years.
This is a nonsense conclusion. Why would a location pay relo costs (significant lump sum) to let said person go. For the most part, those that do the ranking are the ones making the decision to bring the person in.
Ranking generally goes back to the group you spent the majority of time with anyway.
I would no longer take a domestic assignment for that reason.