Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Whoever posted the Yahoo! link should learn how to read more than just the headline. Quoting the article “ Increasing vaccine uptake among unvaccinated, and encouraging third doses, remain priority to reduce transmission levels and potential for severe disease,"

Who are the d-mb d-mbs now?

https://news.yahoo.com/two-dose-vaccines-dont-induce-143327719.html

Damn, we were so close to getting rid of the d-mb d-mbs and returning the company to greatness without those bubbas dragging us down any longer.

85% of the US population have taken at least one shot. 72% are fully vaccinated. 75% of active cases are in the unvaccinated. The vaccines must be doing something right or those numbers would not be what they are

Wow...so many upvotes on sketchy false statements in this thread. Now I know why Cisco is in so much trouble.

For the person claiming 90%+ effectiveness of mRNA products, that data point is based upon the injection’s response to the alpha variant back in around February of 2020. The virus, as we know, has since mutated beyond alpha, but Pfizer shills like that poster still come to these threads and spew data that hasn’t been relevant for nearly a year at this point. Does that poster think we are all as foolish as they are?

@2euu+1ec7RAa5

It wasn't "communicated", the vaccine FAQ's page was updated yesterday. Search "US vaccine FAQ" on sharepoint

Try going outside your bubble and read news from around the world. You are wrong. The data is clear.

The data is very clear, and it doesn’t agree with your wacky theories. I read the articles in medical journals and other credible sites. Ok, you do you, and hopefully you won’t end up on the wrong end of a ventilator.
Look, I get the lack of trust in authority, the political elite, the govt and the media. I share it. I even listen to Fox News (occasionally - I live outside the US).
But you are seriously off your tree with all this stuff on vaccines. For instance, one common complaint is that the vaccines aren’t fully approved! Really? You distrust the govt and yet your argument is that the govt didn’t approve it yet. If they did, would you take it? The FAA approved the 737 max you know.

Cisco Policy has changed for remote workers today, no vax needed unless you travel or visit customer sites

Where has that been communicated? It's not on the CEC home page and Fran hasn't sent out any emails other than the one around 5:30 PT on 12/7 saying they were reviewing their options after the courts put the EO on hold.

A covid "vaccine" does nothing to stop the spread, and I think that's where most people anti-mandate wish it was left as a personal decision.

I definitely agree with that statement. I'm not sure that it's most people given how political this single vaccination has become, but I think the people who aren't at either extreme on this topic feel that way. Like I said, I feel that IF it's mandated, it should be mandated FOR ALL just like MMR, polio, and chickenpox are, with the same exemption clauses. It shouldn't be for large companies, or federal workers, or emergency responders or health care professionals. ALL or NONE.

The ONLY group I can see, and agree with, being mandated to get it are those in the military. They are required to get vaccinations and shots under the UMCJ. As a service member, I hated getting the flu shot because I seemed to get the flu every year I got it. But I got it because it was required. Once I got out and quit getting the flu shot, I've only had the flu once in 20 yrs. Was my flu case much worse than the years I had the flu shot, yes. But one case in 20 yrs, I'll take those odds.

It was more insane than that, why would full time, remote workers that had nothing to do with Federal Contracts, require vaccines... which was Cisco's solution. It wasn't part of the mandate, but it was "easier" for Cisco. They don't have the legal shelter of the mandate if any of those people suffered "injury".

I'm pretty sure that the EO mandate for Federal Contractors said all employees and didn't distinguish between those who worked on Federal contracts and those who didn't, like janitorial, HR, payroll, most of IT, etc.

But, yes, Cisco did take the easy way out and should have tried to fight it saying it's an undue burden to require vaccinations or testing for remote workers to don't meet with workers to do work on-site or work on Federal contracts.

Cisco Policy has changed for remote workers today, no vax needed unless you travel or visit customer sites

A covid "vaccine" does nothing to stop the spread

|This is just so demonstrably untrue as to be id--tic. Nothing, really?

The covid vaccine does nothing to stop people from contacting or having the virus, and will likely lead to more asymptomatic carries not knowing they are spreading the virus. It very well could lead to an increase in spread. Have you heard anywhere that the covid vaccine prevents people from carrying the virus?

"This is just so demonstrably untrue as to be id--tic. Nothing, really?"

Wow. You should just stop embarrassing itself. Even the CDC is saying it doesn't stop the spread.

A covid "vaccine" does nothing to stop the spread

This is just so demonstrably untrue as to be id--tic. Nothing, really?

"why would full time, remote workers that had nothing to do with Federal Contracts, require vaccines"

This. That's _the_ issue. I'm vaxxed. But I am also opposed to forcing vaccination down everybody's throat. You shouldn't need an exemption. You should have the freedom to refuse the jab, accepting the consequence that in person visits to Federal Entities is not an option for you at the moment. Not a big deal for 95% of our staff.

@1joa+1ec7RAa5 ... Any mandates for it should be limited to the same mandates for MMR, polio, chickenpox, etc. For those saying it shouldn't be mandated because of the 99.99% recovery rate, I will point out that schools require proof of having had the chickenpox or the vaccination for it that came out in 1995...

MMR, Polio and chickenpox vaccines are effective at preventing people from catching and spreading the related virus - mandates make sense in an effort to eradicate the disease. As you state earlier, covid vaccine isn't really a vaccine, but much more like the flu shot, with the hopes of mitigating impact of the virus if you do contact it, not preventing catching and spreading the virus. A covid "vaccine" does nothing to stop the spread, and I think that's where most people anti-mandate wish it was left as a personal decision.

@1cgc+1ec7RAa5 "Why would a Federal Contractor need to have its janitors or HR/payroll staff vaccinated to protect the government? "

It was more insane than that, why would full time, remote workers that had nothing to do with Federal Contracts, require vaccines... which was Cisco's solution. It wasn't part of the mandate, but it was "easier" for Cisco. They don't have the legal shelter of the mandate if any of those people suffered "injury".

"Science is coming to the conclusion that the vaccines aren't working"

Small correction here. What you actually meant to write is "My science is coming to the conclusion".

It's going to be interesting to see what the legal fallout is for the company. Many people felt forced to get the vaccines. Some of them had bad reactions and injuries.

I do think it will be interesting to see if anyone tries to sue Cisco over being forced to get a vaccination they didn't want and had put off until Cisco pushed the Federal Contractor Executive Order requirement as a policy or be forced to take an LOA. Even if they didn't have severe reactions, just taking something they didn't want because Cisco said they had to is probably worth a lawsuit to prevent Cisco from doing something like that again.

Some of them said they had bad reactions or injuries. That will come out in court when they have to prove said reactions and/or injuries. I don't think anyone will get compensation, or at least significant compensation, unless they can prove permanent harm from the vaccination.

I wasn't in favor of the mandate, but I was happy to see companies enforce vaccination or mask/remote work safety measures. The EO was a hammer/one-size-fits-all approach. Why would a Federal Contractor need to have its janitors or HR/payroll staff vaccinated to protect the government? It's not like the government has people going to Federal Contractor work sites while janitors are cleaning the buildings after hours. It's not like they're meeting with HR or people processing timesheets/payroll. They certainly aren't visiting me at my home office since I work remote. There's just so many people they don't interface with, why was a mandate required?

... The vaccines work amazingly well at reducing effects of covid in causing serious or fatal cases. It’s something like 90% improvement. ...

The funny thing is that no one is screaming about the the flu shot. I won't say it works amazingly well since big pharma has to guess each year what the dominant flu strain will be, but the years where they guess correctly, it does reduce the effects of the flu and reduces cases from turning into pneumonia and causing hospitalizations or death.

No one is calling the annual flu shot a pharma subscription like I'm hearing people refer to the COVID booster shot. I hate how this vaccination has turned into a political referendum, even before the Biden administration tried to mandate it.

Personally, I wish this vaccination was left as a personal choice, with employers (government and private) choosing to implement workplace safety measures that work for their business, be it requiring vaccinations, working apart from each other, wearing masks when in close proximity to others (co-workers or customers), whatever.

Any mandates for it should be limited to the same mandates for MMR, polio, chickenpox, etc. For those saying it shouldn't be mandated because of the 99.99% recovery rate, I will point out that schools require proof of having had the chickenpox or the vaccination for it that came out in 1995. Chickenpox rarely ki--s, and people have been known to have severe reactions to the vaccination, so how is it different than the COVID vaccination? Back in '95, there were no long term studies. As it is, there's only 25 yrs worth of data, assuming that anyone is still collecting data on chickenpox vaccination.

"What a bunch of lies. The vaccines work amazingly well at reducing effects of covid in causing serious or fatal cases."

Try going outside your bubble and read news from around the world. You are wrong. The data is clear.

“ Science is coming to the conclusion that the vaccines aren't working and can cause a great deal of harm.”

What a bunch of lies. The vaccines work amazingly well at reducing effects of covid in causing serious or fatal cases. It’s something like 90% improvement. It is disappointing that they are not too effective at preventing minor infections or transmission. And, it’s not like everyone stopped working on even better vaccines.
If you want an audience for your cr-p, go hang out on the many anti-vax sites.

I've not heard of any Cisco employees having an adverse effect from the vaccine. My sample size is around 50 or so.

this is what democracy looks like

https://www.businessinsider.com/2-democrats-all-gop-senators-vote-repeal-employer-vaccine-mandate-2021-12

and here come the actual lawmakers to vote NO

My only question to Fran is "when are you going to resign?"

It's going to be interesting to see what the legal fallout is for the company. Many people felt forced to get the vaccines. Some of them had bad reactions and injuries.

Science is coming to the conclusion that the vaccines aren't working and can cause a great deal of harm. If you look at the raw data around the world that is crystal clear.

Someone in the ELT should be fired over this fiasco.

Well, for starters, both this and the last vax we're too little to late, or totally missed the mark. Poor Biden administration fell into the CNN trap of accusing people of not believe in science.

In fact, science failed us. I'm glad the judge see better.