I get paid to retain students. To save the drop, to build relationships, to whine and sniffle and tutor students who cannot read, write, or keep an appointment.
I get paid to retain these students even if they clearly ask me to drop them. I get closer to a pink slip every time I honor the student's request. Compliant behavior on my part?? Retaliation in response?
An employee should not be afraid they will lose their job by honoring a student's request to drop. Management by intimidation!
Students should be able to drop with no personal questions asked.
33765 IF we're sold (big if) what's more likely is that the new owners will let things go for a while and evaluate the situation. Unfortunately, they won't know the characters they're dealing with and the worse ones will start pointing fingers and giving impossible tasks to the better ones to make them look bad. It will be a living hell, and THEN the new company will realize they need to clean house. No matter what happens, I'll still be out there looking.
Trust me, I've been through this before. It's not so easy in Florida. They seem to have designed the system to always benefit the company. Not really a surprise, being Florida, but grossly unfair. I really, really hope everyone here is actively looking. Think about how you've been treated, who gets promoted and who gets PIPs, and how the recent events have been treated. Things aren't going to get better. In fact, if you think back over the last 1-2 years, it's pretty clear that the smart ones (smarter than I) saw the writing on the wall and left. All that's left are the vultures and a few too loyal people who are treated like crap and just take it. Think about the one best manager at your location. How is he/she treated by the other managers. Things have been steadily declining for the four years I've worked here. That's a trend, based upon quality of management and degradation of culture. It won't change. Even if we're purchased, the new owners will see the overall lack of competence and ethics and probably decide to clean house.
And you wonder why CA is broke . . . .
728 - it varies a LOT by state. A lot of folks are in Cali, where it's much easier to quit and get unemployment. That's why people talk about going on "stress" leave, it's the law there. In fact, I'd say half my department has been on stress leave. No wonder the Cali AG has always been so concerned about CCi. Lots of complaints by students, and lots of employees on stress leave!
726, good idea to call the authorities. How? And how much info do you give? Will they respond to anonymous calls?
726, there are very, very few instances where you can quit and get unemployment. I wouldn't just tell people to do that. It's extremely risky. Before anyone quits and hopes to get unemployment: Do Your Homework!!! You need to talk to someone at your state office to find put exactly what you need to prove in order to be able to file. And expect the company to fight your claim tooth and nail. You are way better off just finding another job and moving on from the cesspool that we have become. The fact is, CCI schools won't exist in 6 months. We will fold, maybe sell. Either way, there's no way of knowing what will happen. But I wouldn't wait it out and hope for severance. That's a very unlikely scenario.
Don'Know where someone thought she/he was an instructor. Everyone thinks it is so easy to quit. I did and was jobless for almost two years. It isn't easy. But, you can file unemployment on the bases that they are unethical and do not share the same values as you, or anyone for that matter. Do research first and be ready to appeal. Or just look for another job and don't be afraid to fight cci I will say that I was placed in the same situation everyday. And, a lot of students can find a way and some are just misinformed of policy but if they must drop, create a form have them complete a survey. what issues We're u facing before enrolling, why are you dropping, and where you give options. Attach to the drop and keep record. Guessing it would help a little but also this is the reason most go on stress leave after being written up. Go on leave look for a job and run. Call your attorney general. Find it online.
Coco? What an idiot. Anyone working for a CCI school will refer to the school they teach at. I've never ever ever said 'CCI'. Except here. And nobody is going to refer to themselves by the stock name. Trolls think they're so sneaky. You don't know the lingo. You don't get people on ground talks to one another. You think you can post 'big sale' and everyone listens. You trolls are jokes.
720, I've been told by students that it is difficult at best to withdraw. And now, with our sole income being student tuition, that will likely make it even more difficult to drop.
714, your job at COCO? What's that?
In my opinion, a student does not even need to give us reason. If they want to drop, that is their right and their business why they made the decision. If they want to give a reason - fine. We should not be pressuring them for the reason.
I LOVE my job at COCO. But of course, I am a weasel. I just beat the sh*t out of everyone around me.
33704 - I almost think the OP is Student Services. "Keep the student at any cost." Sounds like their job for sure!
As an instructor at ECPO, we cannot drop a student. We have no access to those records or anything, so we tell them to talk to their ss rep. They should be dropped if they miss 14 consecutive days anyway. I file withdrawing students away as not my job. It's not and I can't do anything about it anyway. Maybe at your school you can. I've never heard of instructors dropping students.
The student absolutely has a right to withdraw. They are expected to go through official channels, but it's specified that the channels must be readily available and include, for example, a phone number that will be answered. If what we are giving them as a channel is a retention "specialist" who refuses to process the withdrawal without hassling the student first, then that isn't in compliance. In that case the student is a drop the moment he/she told any staff member of his/her intentions. We can't coerce them or demand reasons. If they drop all of their classes it triggers the refund process, which adjusts their tuition to what they "earned" to that date and sends back a portion of their financial aid. We KNOW CCi will do almost anything to hold onto every penny of that money, especially now, but we do not have the right to make it difficult (or even inconvenient) for a student to drop. You should write Ferguson or ED.
695, thank you. This is the OP.
We don't get many kudos these days. Do you think I have a right to coerce a student into staying in an academic program which is not optimal in the student's opinion? Do you think I have a right to demand personal information about the reason for withdrawal? How far should I go?
The question is, why put up with it?
So well said, kudos...