Seems fair, no?
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356, not at all. Participation rules are very clear. Even if they post 'hi' it counts as attendance. It's automated online. Instructors have nothing to
Do with attendance. But, doing no work and not posting enough or of substance will earn you Fs. So you can be posted present by doing 30
Seconds worth of work. But you won't pass the class. Most students not going to one class aren't going to any. Trust me. Also, in the past and at my other for profit classes, it was 14 days in just your class. The not dropping students started last term. And they were also asking us to send out firm emails we have never had to
Send either. So, it was very hinky.
So it's probably a difference in the interpretation of "participate." The students are going online and posting to the board, but the instructors don't consider that meaningful enough to count as attendance. It sounded like instructors were saying that students weren't dropped even though they were doing nothing. That is, not posting at all. Even though I believe they don't have to be dropped if they post in any one class, so that might explain it. maybe not blatant fraud after all.
If a student doesn't participate for 14 consecutive days, they should be dropped from class. It's the law. The money goes back to the government. That's why they aren't dropped. Instructors have no control (online anyway) over students getting dropped or having access to attendance records. Outreach is more comprehensive. Instructors have to contact students for varying reasons if they don't participate in any or all activities or they are failing. If a student participates within 14 days he or she will be marked present. He or she can still be failing but won't be dropped. It's very common to see student post to the threads once every 2 weeks to keep the stipend checks and then fail the class. The students they recruit are not necessarily interested in getting an education. It's a phenomenon I've never seen at any other school. I'm online. I don't know what it's like on the ground.
341 - so why are all of those adjuncts coming on here and complaining that students who haven't participated since week 2 haven't been dropped? They seem to be online instructors. Is the difference that the outreach is to JUST get them to log in and out once every two weeks to keep the aid, and they really aren't required to even post something? That just sounds bizarro.
328, attendance is automated online (at ECPO anyway.) So, nobody takes attendance, per se.
331: You mean an actual, real class that students would need to show up for to get attendance? At this point, they're probably considering the old made-up student route. Fake students, fake attendance, real financial aid, then it's off to Tahiti.
33328- Not teach, but "hold a single class." As in make sure each and every student posts attendance.
You don't teach classes online. You spend 75% of your time doing Outreach. It will be impossible for Jack to hunt down 20,000 students every week and beg them to come to class, since they took
Out $30,000 in loans to do so.
33320 - if it's online, why the heck not? He'll figure one instructor plus a part-time admin to help with all the outreach.
Will Jack hold a single class with 30,000 students?