I have never been at a school where students can submit late work over 2.5 months late. They can essentially do no work for 9 weeks of a 12 week course and submit their missing work (including discussions) until the end of week 11. This is a 12 week course!! This means that instructors have to constantly monitor when an idiot, illiterate student submits their half-ass quality work because we need to grade it within 72 hours. Every time I log into the course, we can't just focus on the current week's work, but also see what sh*t work a student has submitted from the beginning of the class. This Late Policy helps no one! Students learn that being on time is not necessary. This will not be tolerated when they pull this crap at a job. Uhm, sorry boss, I can't meet your deadline. Let me submit it 2.5 months later. FIRED!
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I love it when my student sit out. Easiest thing in the world to grade
I'm glad to know I'm not the only one telling students this. When I attend meetings (phone conferences), no one EVER talks about students abusing the late work policy. Every bit of conversation is focused on how the student could have been going through personal issues, they need encouragement not punishment, etc etc. I'm sorry, but I made every possible choice I could in college to get my degree, get it honestly, and through hard work, not excuses. I'm so tired of it. My biggest issue though is that sometimes students do have legitimate medical reasons why they can't submit work -- that's understandable, but EVERY other legitimate institution (i.e. public universities and community colleges) have an "Incomplete" policy, where a student either gets another X number of weeks to turn in their work after proving they have a medical issue, or gets another chance to retake the course without having to pay again. CCI has no such policy, which is ridiculous.
I got one that said, "i was en jail and jus got out 2day can i make up all my work????" Looked at grade and dumbo has a whole 2 points in the class at the end of week 11. We start week 12 (last week) tomorrow. Response to student: You have missed the entire class and cannot make up 11 weeks of work now. Speak to your student advisor." Ba-bye loser.
Everest Online instructor responding. I agree that the Late Work Policy is an f'n joke just like the stupid Outreach sh*t. Tomorrow is the beginning of Week 12 of 12. A student wakes up and sends me 20 emails that her internet connection and computer were not working, and she will be submitting all her work this week. Uh uh I tell the idiot. Per the late policy, Weeks 1-9 are not accepted after Week 11 = today! No deviations from this already joke of a policy. I tell her that Internet is a requirement when signing up for an online course and that there are many free wifi spots that she could have used. A computer could be used at a local library. So technically she can suck it and I will be glad to give you the F grade you earned for being a lazy stipend collecting moron.
I have a conscious and cannot grade students easy. They cannot pass my course unless they do the work and do it well. That's why I have only a few passing students each class. It creates a lot more work for me in terms of BS Outreach (that is a huge waste of time and gets ZERO results), but I will not let an idiot breeze through. I worked my butt off in college. These numbskulls can do the same.
Everest online instructor here...yes it's a bullshit policy. I'm tired of fighting all the PD's and even up the ladder to Dick and Tina.
I know in the end they just want us to pass each student so I grade easy and let students submit their work late with no points penalty. After all...less at-risk students means less work for me overall. I'm not in this for the students anymore, but to keep getting a paycheck until Everest takes a shit.
We really aren't doing the students a favor no matter hoe we grade, or the late work policy. The students already shot themselves in the foot by choosing Everest. Do you really think any employer other than a fast food joint or Wal-Mart would hire any student with Everest on their application?
One of the reasons I left! Saw the expectations for students becoming less and less and the expectations for faculty increasing, albeit having little to do with teaching. Shame on you CCi! You became the stereotype you were fighting against. I left because my integrity no longer allowed me to stay and the money wasn't worth the "cost" I realize everyone doesn't have that financial option. I'm disappointed and believe there's educated staff in OL that knows better too -- their hands are being forced by those above them and basically told if they want to keep their job, they will put these rules in place. (I believe this).
As another Heald instructor, yea we have the freedom to reject late work. If I rejected all late work, however, half my classes would fail by mid-term. It would be a complete mess. It's always been an embarrassment, but - coupled with the lack of an attendance policy - I'm quickly losing all dignity as a teacher. I've started to consider just walking out before I lose my soul in this academic toilet.
977 - Heald instructor, also. We set out own late policies, and PDs have no say over them. Mine is 1 week, 10 points off per day. I wouldn't teach here if I didn't have the say over my own classroom policies and grades.
944 - changing an instructor's grade is illegal and unethical. You should contact you local paper, the Huffington Post and other media. Also contact your accreditation body. If it ewas me, I would then quit.
Late policy helps cci keep title IV funds.
Heald instructor here.
I do not have to take anything I don't want to take. Of course we are encouraged and asked to work with the students. I do everything on a case by case basis.
But it is always my call, always. Otherwise, there is no way I would still be teaching there.
939, Yes there are. It is so sickening. Do they realize that the PD has absolutely no power! None! This is contrary to what he tries to make PL's and others believe. He cannot hire you, fire you or help you keep your job.
I'm an online instructor, and I've been "encouraged" to take late work. But I don't. I refuse. That's my line. I have had advisors call and email to ask me to "work with the student." That phrase makes me sick, because all it is is doublespeak for "just let them pass." Not happening. Barring a medical excuse, if you weren't prepared to turn in the work and follow the same rules as everyone else in the course, you don't get points. And if you're an instructor, you can go into the course and make the assignments due at midnight of each week, and make it so they can't submit after that. Same with discussions. That way if they try to submit something, they HAVE to email you first to explain why they're late. This deters a lot of the procrastinators, anyway.
948, I spilled it. No response from DoE. Shameful.
spill your beans to the department of education.
otherwise, we can assume you know the students we serve and what their needs are, and you should plan your class/course accordingly.
are you a teacher, or someone with a job?
for goodness sakes.
I have had no show students fail my clinical classes. When I submitted their final grades into campus vue, their PD's changed their grades to passing. I should mention that these were students in the medical trades program.
Kent Jenkins here. Incompetent students are the instructor's fault. We scour the best prisons, welfare offices, homeless shelters, and bridges to find Everest students. Our experiments have proved that anyone is teachable, I mean, anyone can get a passing grade. If you are not passing students, you are contributing to our failure.
We have a lot of kiss-butt Program Leads (PLs) in the online computers academic department. They can do no wrong because they want to keep their jobs. They are brainwashed by the Program Director (PD). Newsflash: You are doing it for no reason. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. We will all be out of a job soon.
The deans and program directors are not qualified to be in their positions. Our online computers dean does God knows what (most likely, focusing on his other full-time job) and the program director just drives everyone crazy. These two will never do anything in the best interest of the instructors. They only look at keeping incompetent students in classes. Tutor them, call them, email them, don't penalize them for late work...yup the PD's "every student, every time" BS. Here's a better e-mail ending, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink".
OMFG...what do these Deans and Program Directors do? Can't they see this Late Policy encourages students to forget about deadlines? Why bother making a deadline if you can submit stuff from Day 1 for a laughable penalty??
It is the end of Week 11, and I have some 'students' coming out of the woodwork submitting substandard work from Week 1! Excuses: I had no internet connection, no laptop, was sick, blah blah blah. Go to the f'n library, use a friend's computer, use the computer at the Welfare office on your next trip there, use your free Obama phone, etc. Take some personal responsibility. Or drop the class until you have everything you need. Unbelievable.
From the Faculty Expectations, "instructors are expected to accept late work". F U Everest Online...pay us more for this extra time. I don't mind a few days late, but months? I accept because I have to, but I grade more harshly as a result.
Worst thing they did was put the app on the IPhone. Now these idiots type out posts on the bus, with no punctuation, no correct spelling, nothing. I will be happy if they could make a point. We have set the bar low, and they consistently fail to reach it.....
The worst part is when the loser emails you and tells you that they submitted all of their late work, but does not have the courtesy to tell you which weeks. eCollege does not do a good job about informing instructors if a student posts late to a discussion. This causes you to have to click on each discussion to see whether they posted anything. I no longer search. If the student does not tell me which week, I do not take my valuable time to search. I send reminders about this, yet very few bother to read them. It is their responsibility. If they don't bother reading them, I don't bother searching for and grading them.
The "school" is not preparing them for the real world. I am appalled that we allow students to submit any work that late. Can you imagine if at a face-to-face class, a student did not attend or submit any work for months, and then they try to make everything up the last two weeks of the class? That is so unfair to the instructor! In Everest's mind, it keeps this particular "ass" in the class so they can collect money for them. Sad.