Thread regarding Corinthian Colleges Inc. layoffs

The problem I'm saying you have is the whole I only teach. When my children have those types I get them the hell out. You have a responsibility to be aware, make yourself accountable. Read the campus catalog. You know the one that acts as a bible for the company you work for. The reason CCI is in trouble is because they do not follow rules. Only saying to be sure students or not airing on the clad rolls if they never signed in. Every college and school for that matter gets funding from attendance. You do know that right. You went to college. so many people act like they couldn't do anything. Call the hot line , go to the president, call the corporate office, attorney general etc. You have such a high name and everyone wants to hire you. Then be sure that the school doesn't get over on bs. That's all I'm saying. And maybe it didn't happen in your classes. But you do have a party, a role. All employees do. And, when I was in college all my instructors took attendance. Plus it was incorporated in my grade. Ed code is across the board not just for everest. Accountability ,ownership, leadership

I'm about to start a new position. Unfortunately, I most definitely do not have a STEM degree (don't ask) so I had to get creative. I'm qualified to keep teaching, but positions are scarce and almost all adjunct with no real promise of longevity. The first two months I looked I kept my resume a CV and concentrated on academia. Nada. I highly recommend re-crafting your resume along non-traditional lines, such as a competency based resume (here's one book on that: http://www.amazon.com/Competency-Based-Resumes-Bring-Your-Resume/dp/156414772X). There are a lot of different techniques out there but the goal is the same: break down your knowlesdge and skills and present them in a way that qualifies you for a job outside of your field.

"STEM subjects usually have some demand" So true.

Anonymous37503: Good luck in your new adjunct position and don't worry about the naysayers. CCi pays and treats instructors as the lowest of the low. I've actually had managers talk extra slowly to me because they assumed I'd have trouble understanding business concepts. Oh, well, hopefully I can find something better now. It's really hard in Florida, though. The publics are trying to break up the unions and mostly just hiring adjuncts. Even full-time hires usually aren't eligible for tenure, which I believe is a trend everywhere. At least I have a grad degree in mathematics, and STEM subjects usually have some demand. Wish me luck!

37503 - I've got two master's (I know lifelong student types can't understand that, but it's much more valuable for those who can actually do) and I've made in the six figures for almost ten years of my twenty working. Weighing two offers right now, but it's honestly not an emergency in my area of expertise since I'm contacted by recruiters a couple of times a month. So, adjunct for a non-profit? Wow, your parents must be so proud! The only thing that makes publics even possibly interesting is the excellent benefits. Does your "better" job even offer them? Those that can, do...

499, since now you've insulted my education (PhD, but I guess so stupid) I'm not engaging anymore. Clearly you have your opinion (wring) and I don't engage with name callers. But I will tell you that I just got another adjunct job with higher pay at a non profit. So, who is the stupid one? The one with a better job or the emoter stick insulting fellow employees on a layoff board? Later. Good luck to you, even if your a moron.

37493 - Actually, it's weird that you're claiming you're not involved in outreach, since every instructor I know of is required to. Did you just refuse to participate on principle? It's always amazing to me that our instructors are our dumbest, most clueless employees. No wonder they can't get jobs anywhere else. At least the rest of us were paid well. Let me guess, Mr/Ms "I do NOTHING but teach." You're an adjunct, aren't you?

This is OP. At most colleges and universities in this country, the average student would be grateful to their professors offered extra time to spend with them. I know so would have. The problem is the students that Everest recruits. They sign on for the money. And they don't go to class. Do you think it's fair they just get money after taking out $30,000 plus in loans without being reminded they have a contract to fulfill on their end, which is get the education they've taken money for? That's not the point of Outreach, but you really don't understand. I do Outreach to students once a week. I don't call students daily. And again, criteria is specific. The reason Outreach has become a problem is because students have not been dropped after 14 days and we are responsible for Outreach regardless. Boo Hoo Outreach all you want. But students have the same responsibility to earn an education when they sign on as I do to teach. They are NOT victims of my teaching. They simply don't go to class. That's the frustration.

This is OP. At most colleges and universities in this country, the average student would be grateful to their professors offered extra time to spend with them. I know so would have. The problem is the students that Everest recruits. They sign on for the money. And they don't go to class. Do you think it's fair they just get money after taking out $30,000 plus in loans without being reminded they have a contract to fulfill on their end, which is get the education they've taken money for? That's not the point of Outreach, but you really don't understand. I do Outreach to students once a week. I don't call students daily. And again, criteria is specific. The reason Outreach has become a problem is because students have not been dropped after 14 days and we are responsible for Outreach regardless. Boo Hoo Outreach all you want. But students have the same responsibility to earn an education when they sign on as I do to teach. They are BOT victims of my teaching. They simply don't go to class. That's the frustration.

37492 - I don't think the OP is really so dumb as to believe the outreach was for educational purposes. He/she does sound dumb enough to believe that instructors could be somehow held liable for the company's misdeeds. All of this rambling on about how ignorant they are about the company they work for and the functions of a college are all just CYA.

442, what are you talking about? As an educator, I have no responsibility except to educate my students. That's it. I'm not highly paid management. I'm an adjunct instructor. And I don't think about the taxpayer in any if my teaching jobs at any college I teach. I'm given a job with responsibilities and I fulfill my contract. It's weird you think we have any other obligation.

OP - we've seen dozens of posts from instructors on here saying that they can't effectively teach due to all the outreach that's required. They say that they are required to keep calling students who have hung up on them. It definitely sounds like you are being required to harass students and document it. Did you really believe that the purpose of that was educational?

487, Outreach is designed for student success. Again, we have NO access to FA and we don't ever have any discussions about FA. I didn't know anything about FA until I saw this board. Outreach is not just for retention. We have very specific Outreach guidelines and we do not just reach out to failing students. Again, there are specific criteria. If it's tied to FA, that's management, not me. I sign a contract to fulfill certain teaching duties and that's what I do. I cannot change attendance records. I do not ever, ever, ever call students about FA, nor do I know any personal info about my students, including FA. And I've never been asked to or changed a grade. I'm an adjunct instructor. There's nothing nefarious about what I do. I do not harass my students in any way. I do not do anything illegal (nor have I been asked) and I don't care if you believe me. But Outreach, for me as a professor, has nothing to do with collections or FA. Nor do I have access to any records (not even attendance) beyond a student Gradebook for my class only. I'm trying to clarify because clearly people don't understand the instructor role in colleges. We teach. Teach. Teach. That's it. Our role does not, like any other campus in the US, go beyond that role.

Outreach is very much tied to financial aid. Our company, as a profit-oriented business, has two reasons to want good retention. One is grad rate, which is reported as part of our consumer information and which our various accrediting bodies monitor. More importantly, especially now, is keeping the federal aid dollars that we get almost 90% of our revenues from. In an institution required to take attendance (most of our campuses, but I believe not Heald), a student must be dropped after 14 calendar days of non-attendance. The LDA is looked at in comparison to the financial aid payment period, and a determination is made as to how much Title IV money needs to be sent back to ED. If a student completed 52.5% of the term, 47.5% of his/her financial aid has to be returned. NOT good for our bottom line. A lot of what academics does is for financial aid purposes.

457 is exactly correct. It's so frustrating, isn't it? People think we have all these magical powers. Hey, I teach 2 classes. That's it. You can tell me what I should be doing beyond that. But, not only do I not have the ability (as no other instructor does in any college in the US) but I have no desire. My pay grade is shit as it is. You think I want more hats?

It's shocking how stupid people are. I am an online instructor. I have NO access to attendance records, which are kept online and automated. You know what? I'm not going to state it again. Clearly people don't understand. Think back to when you went to college. Was your professor involved in FA? Was your professor involved in anything beyond teaching you a class? It's the same at Everest. I don't know why people think we have magical abilities to drop students and change personnel files and drop students and change attendance. We do not. I go to my classroom, teach my class, grade papers, email for Outreach when students don't meet specific criteria, and send final grades. That's my job, just like ANY OTHER INSTRUCTOR AT A COLLEGE CAMPUS IN THE WORLD!!! WE TEACH!!! I know nothing about FA laws except what I've read here. NOTHING.

37442, I don't think you understand what being an instructor means for CCI. To say that we have ANY control whatsoever about attendance is utterly ridiculous. We call, and call, and email and record in Talisma, and contact advisors, and still we have students sit in our grade books for weeks because admissions has not dropped them. In case you didn't hear before, INSTRUCTORS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER STUDENTS DROPPING. Admissions has full power over withdrawals. I have contacted administration before several times about why a particular student was still in my class after 5 or 6 weeks of not completing work and constant outreach from me, and in most cases I was told to keep reaching out. Other times I would get no response at all. I have had students remain on my roster, despite my complaints, for the entire term, without actually turning in a single assignment. Students who fail my courses deserve to fail, or should never have been in the end course to begin with. Please do not insinuate that instructors are complicit in any way with the fraud that CCI has created.

Here's where you are wrong and possibly don't even know it. As a employee of CCI, you have a responsibility to the student, employer and taxpayers. Plus, yourself. You should be keeping attendance on all of your students because it should be counted as a part of their grade. Online students are dropped if they do not sign in X amount of times per week. If you are not in class you cannot pass the class. When a student signs in they are receiving federal funding. When a student passes a class they are also receiving funding. So you need to know what students are in class and what students aren't. Maybe a couple of them can be saved by a simple call,letter, aand our tall from the dream. Maybe some just need to be let go. Believe me you havea big part in this. IV seem lots of students slip through the cracks to sit on a class roster for the months workout anyone doing them. If only the instructor knew policy and ensured the drop happens working policy then the student wouldn't have so much Debt and the school wouldn't be in so much trouble. Grads trays would be higher and so on. To many people in general not familiarizing themselves with policy and procedures madre it ready for students to be taken advantage of. Yes, I saw and had to question why an instructor would pass someone one who only attended the minimum amount of time over and over. You may not have to drop but you can still fail and have them repeat the class. This helps the student in the end.

Thank you, OP, for pointing this out. I'm getting pretty sick of the trolls on here indicting us for the predatory behavior of others.

The only reason outreach by instructors is done is to keep the FA money flowing.

I'm referring to being an instructor. I do not know anything about outreach by any other department. I am an instructor. I have nothing to do nor know the practices in other departments. If anyone else is calling or emailing my students I have no knowledge of that.

There are 2 types of Outreach. One the instructors do and one a SOCLE team takes care of regarding FA. They do not intertwine