Does he not understand that attrition is not the instructor's fault? Admit students that are capable of college and that are serious about education. Then the school wouldn't have this problem or need to do Outreach babysitting. Delusional PD!!
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such a CCI move.
Ken Jenkins - Take over my classes, please! I challenge you to get a better attrition rate. That would mean not only would you be considered a bad executive who can't do his job, but will earn you a title of bad instructor, as you spewed on tv.
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Hers a question for the PDs: When the front end motto is 'asses in the classes' how do you expect us to excel?
"Nobody will convince me that I suddenly became a terrible instructor." How good are you with 3rd graders?
I was a PT adjunct with ECPO. I check in on this board to see what's happening. I had empty classes this term. So technically I am not an employee anymore. But my point is that Ive taught for 15 years at several different colleges (for and non profit.) I failed more students in my first term here than I did COMBINED in the previous 15 years. It wasn't me. It's not the instructors. By the end, Imwas so burned out, I was not unhappy to not have classes this term. But I sleep well at night. Nobody will convince me that I suddenly became a terrible instructor. And I loved the teaching part of my job. I enjoyed being in the threads and encouraging and mentoring students who engaged. He'll, Imeven enjoyed talking to students who reached out to me. Some of my favorite teaching moments were returning calls to students who WANTED to learn! It's a sad reality that their recruiting methods will be the very demise of this school. It's NOT you guys!!!! Sure, there are probably shitty instructors. There are at every school. But most are not. Most of us are in this to make a difference. And it's a challenge to do that here. And we shouldn't be villanized because they've failed. Leadership has fails their students and instructors. We have been the least important part of the equation in this business model. Until now. Now they need us. Now they need the students. So, we get the crap end of this stick. Best of luck, all. You need it.
I challenge Kenny Jenkins to take over my job and see what his attrition rate would be. I also want to know how much time he would waste on outreach and talisma, how much time he would actually have to teach, deal with students that can't read or write, do 24-hour email responses (including weekends), deal with plagiarism, and the monitoring and grading of substandard late work within 48 hours from up to 2.5 months ago. All this while being micromanaged. Stress level through the roof!
Ken Jenkins blames instructors. Instructors are not at fault. Instructors can blame Ken Jenkins on his unethical recruiting practices and business model. Karma will bite Kenny for his uneducated comments on those that have no control over the students they inherit.
Every instructor, even the best, have high attrition rates. It's not the instructors. It's the students. Instructors are burned out from doing Outreach.
Everyone wants to blame someone for the sinking ship. So of course they blame instructors and are watching us like hawks. Instructors have no time to teach anymore due to all of the outreach and responsibility to try to keep students that could not care less about learning
If he calls me, I am going to ask what their turnaround plan is and whether we can require tutoring. I'm going to be armed with notes. What about students with excuses? What about students who refuse to respond? What about students who take 60 minutes to do a 10 question quiz and fail? What about students in the threads who clearly can't write, and therefore can't read? I'm not going to take the blame for the students they recruit who are I capable or unwilling to do the work. They can give me a plan. I will follow it. It will fail. They recruit students knowing they will fail and that the retention rate is 50% on average. They have NO protesting. 'Asses in the classes' is the end result if what is happening. But suddenly they want their students to be college level? It's money. That's all. They can't recruit who they recruit and expect good results.
There are several lists. One is for attrition counseling. Instructor performance and outreach appear to be other lists. I think they look at attrition separately without outreach.
Outreach on instructors is new this term. But that's likely because fir every student we lose, that's money out if cci's pocket. And at ECPO, where I teach, we've lost around 50% of students since last term. The ship is sinking and any student lost is money lost. They know retention is bad and they literally cannot afford to let it be shitty anymore. But they can't change their business model now. So, it's our fault when they leave, though it's been status quo for them for years.
Yes, saw this in the kiss butt PL's meeting minutes. They are compiling lists for all sorts of things for potential staff cuts. The retention counseling is a laugh. Punishing instructors is absurd. The Outreach and Talisma madness is driving everyone insane. We all know Outreach does not work. It is simply busy work. They should analyze the data and see that it does not yield results.
Isn't that every instructor? In my experience at Everest, I can have 80% retention in one class and 50% in another. It's NOT the instructor. I think Jenkins put real pressure on PDs. But I suspect the instructors they target will be the ones NOT doing regular Outreach.
PD needs to look busy. Everyone is trying to save their jobs!!!