A little justice for those military vets who have been preyed upon by University of Phoenix and other for-profits.... http://iava.org/blog/student-veterans-loan-relief-fund-3....
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Okay, so you are avoiding the question. Showed you that one of your claims is bogus and you have nothing but misdirection. Why am I not surprised?
@Question for Camden Kid. Wouldn't it make more sense to take the first two years at a community college (say DCCC in PA), then transfer the credits to a state university or state completion program? University of Phoenix credits generally don't transfer to more legitimate schools (except in California).
MATH QUESTION!
Freshman tuition at Penn State for a bachelor level program in business is $6,717 or $13,434 per year. I pulled this from their in-state resident tuition calculator here http://collegecostestimate.ais.psu.edu/cgi-bin/CollegeCostEstimate.exe/submit
Freshman tuition at University of Phoenix for a bachelor level program in business is $10,240 per year.
Is $13,424 more or less than $10,240??
Total program cost for Excelsior College is $64,255 for an in-state resident. Here is their breakdown.https://my.excelsior.edu/secapps/CostCal/ECCost.jsf
Total program cost for University of Phoenix for the bachelor of science in business is $59,180 from the tuition calculator. This does not include the up to $10,000 scholarship reduction for tuition on a bachelor degree.
Is $64,255 more or less than $59,180??
Both scenarios are in your favor, using the lowest in-state tuition rates for both schools you just sited as more affordable than University of Phoenix.
Please do your research before you post on a public forum!
@veteran enrollment, I agree that higher education is letting people down. In many cases, I believe it's because traditional schools are following the University of Phoenix model. When you have the time, please tell me more about recruitment of people in the military. And please explain how you are able to sell an education that is so overpriced. My email is above. Have you read about the state of higher education from experts such as Henry Giroux or Suzanne Mettler? In case you haven't read them, here's a link....http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/01/college-the-great-unleveler/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Because it seems you didn't read my full text. We have not been dropped from Europe. Like I said I COULD tell you all our European posts but you don't really care to know truth. You seem like your only interest is to yell at the top of your lungs, "University of Phoenix sucks." When in fact it is your traditional comedy (not misspelled) college that has let the masses down. You seem as though you are desperately trying to keep you petty job. Its time you evolved and began to embrace the online for profit culture. Why don't you take one class at the University of Phoenix? Perhaps you might then understand what discipline, intelligence and maturity you need to pass on online compact class. You are losing credibility on your own site. Be careful with your retort because you are outing yourself as an uninformed, poor and too old to learn new tricks.
@veteran enrollment, I'm sorry that you had to resort to an ad hominem attack. I see you did not deny that University of Phoenix has been dropped from US military bases in Europe. It's a shame Apollo Group/University of Phoenix, at the very least, refuses to be more transparent about gainful employment with veterans........ http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/05/07/gainful-employment-fight-profits-make-familiar-arguments-against-different-landscape#sthash.7vQD53O5.dpbs
Camden once again your ignorance shines loud and proud. You know nothing and I am actually a little embarrassed to be responding to your post. You obviously don't know anything about how those contracts are made. We weren't really "dropped" I can tell you where all of our locations are in europe but you don't really care to know facts. You are just trying to make drama for the sake of making drama. You are an uninformed moron.
@veteran enrollment. Again, despite your loyal UoP protests, there are many more legitimate schools that offer real paths to success. If UoP is so great, why were they kicked off US military bases in Europe?.....http://www.stripes.com/news/dod-renews-contracts-with-four-schools-drops-university-of-phoenix-1.230806
Once again you are so out of touch with reality and you don't have the foggiest idea of what its really like to want to get a degree while you are working. If community colleges satisfied the demand there wouldn't be a school like University of Phoenix. Get a clue dude. This really proves my point that you don't even know anything about the school or how it works you probably don't even know the cost of tuition and how it compares to Penn State (as you mentioned, Thomas Edison, Charter Oak or Excelsior. You are seriously uninformed and you don't even know it. When I last tried going to community college it would have taken me atleast 5 years to finish an associate degree simply because they don't have the infrastructure to be able to offer every class every semester so you have to sit out and wait and wait until your class becomes available. Now it looks like comm colleges are starting to get a clue and offer a few online classes but not enough to really give you quicker graduation route. As far as all the other schools you mentioned they are more expensive for being an out of state student and Excelsior is a straight joke. You are stupid! You don't know what you are talking about. Seriously laughing out loud. Moron.
@Veteran spouse (enrollment), thank you for offering to promote less expensive and legitimate higher education programs. There are many ways to get a degree and work at the same time. Community colleges offer better deals for the first two years (often 1/3 the cost of UoP), and some are beginning to offer 4-year programs in high demand fields such as nursing. There are also state-sponsored degree completion programs such as Thomas Edison (NJ), Charter Oak(CT), and Excelsior (NY). In addition, more legitimate colleges like Penn State are beginning to offer online degrees (although face-to-face work is more legitimate). Regarding "personal decisions," I believe that organizations and people also have social and moral obligations to educate others, not "school" them. In the past, John Bear wrote books for people to be more aware of their options, but the books have been discontinued. Please email me if you have additional questions.
My husband served 20 years in the military. I currently enroll for the university of phoenix and know first hand that the men and women that have proudly served want to get an education and use their benefits. UOP has the most convenient way to do both. We are still accredited as far as I know and many of them get sent to me by the companies they now work for. There is nothing wrong going on here. You will occasionally get a vet that needs mental health or is experiencing PTSD but they too can choose to attend school. If they decide to get financial aid/loans that is completely a personal decision. In order to use loans with us you have to fill out a minimum of 5 different forms so CAMDEN KID you tell me..how does one not know that he/she is using a loan. If you get selected for verification which about 50% of our students do you have to complete another stack of forms before you get financial aid. I think people like you Dahn, Anon, Weir et. al don't even know what being enrolled for school is like but you are quick to judge and want to throw the word lawsuit around. Univ. of Phoenix is not the cheapest route to a degree but it is still a legitimate, accredited and realistic way to get a degree. Name me one other legitimate, accredited realistic way to get a degree that will allow me to work part time or full time????????????????? please let me know and I will promote that way
Kindly take ALL the seats. You are talking out of your hind quarters with no idea what you are going on about. You don't have ANY idea of what I counsel people on, so allow me to enlighten you. I love veterans. I go out of my way to make sure that they know what their best options are. I walk them through ALL of their options to include other schools. That probably isn't what the higher ups would like, but I am actually trying to help people.
I know that it goes against your victim model but most have told me that they don't even care what degree they get, just so long as they attend the campus so they can get their BAH. Most choose to go against my advice and take out financial aid despite being 100% eligible for GI Bill. Most go against my advice when they have CH.30 and I tell them about the option to request an additional year of benefit so that they can have the option of 4 years of educational assistance rather than 3 years. And when they decide to not post, miss multiple classes, or stop answering the phone when I attempt to help them and inadvertently fail they ask why they now have two balances. One from the financial aid that I urged them not to take out and one from the Veteran's Administration because they failed or dropped a course. I tell them that these things will happen. I show them what they will be paying back in the long run. They are adults and they opt to follow this path.
I get that it's better for your cause to make blanket statements and try to push the victim model. What you are inherently saying is that all veterans are too dumb to make decisions about things like college and that schools are leading them by the nose, despite them being provided with facts, graduation rates upfront, repayment information, information on the VA and its policies, etc. As a veteran I am insulted by your viewpoint. I'm just as insulted by the suggestion that minorities are being preyed upon because schools "should know that those people won't succeed". THINK about that statement. You aren't anyone's champion when you inherently think they are too unintelligent to succeed from the onset.
@Veteran, from one vet to another, where did you learn this point of view? You are part of the sickness at for-profit schools like University of Phoenix. Offering a poor value, then blaming military veterans, people of color, single mothers for making errors in judgment. Veterans can get a much better deal by going to community college and transferring to a state college, but it doesn't seem like you believe in telling your fellow vets how to maneuver. I suppose University of Phoenix is also using people of color to scam other people of color, women to scam other women, etc.
Afghanistan, remind me wtf anyone is doing there? The same with Iraq. You might as well send these idiots to Chicago or Detroit. The last holiday weekend more people were killed in Chicago than all of 2014 in Afghanistan. I would rather go to Afghanistan or Iraq than venture through the streets of either US city. Check out spotcrime.com and put in either city. Looks like fun! So save the be about the military doing a dam# thing. Worthless hacks!
I am a veteran and I get a bit tired of hearing of people being taken advantage of. I cannot tell you the number of people that I talk to that are getting 100% of their tuition paid through GI Bill (which includes an additional monthly housing stipend and annual book payment up to $1000) and request maximum loans and Pell grant despite my counseling them to do otherwise. I walk them through their loan repayment scenarios and they still elect to do it. The only time it becomes a matter of being "taken advantage of" is when the class is dropped or failed and they now have to pay back the financial aid funds (that 99% of the time have already been spent) and GI Bill funds (as they don't pay for failed classes) for not meeting the credit requirements set for full time status. I read a veteran's testimonial on IAVA that he went to University of Phoenix and took one class and somehow used all 3 years of his Post 9/11 GI Bill and owes student loan money on top of it. His assertion was that the school took advantage of him. First of all, that's bullshit. One class is not going to use up 36 months of education benefit. Second, none of the counselors that these people talk to is sitting in the room with them pressing the keys on their keyboards to request student loans on top of GI Bill benefits. It's called PERSONAL F***ING RESPONSIBILITY!
You are clearly being baited by Anonymous9282/9292. Much like the other trolls that post racist or sexist comments here to distract.
People who work with veterans at University of Phoenix ARE veterans. They don't have that contemptible attitude about people who served because they have served themselves. Clearly anyone who does hold that attitude has never been to Iraq or Afghanistan. That's about all that needs to be said about losers like 9282/9292
Blah blah blah, another Dumbocrat pretending to care. Don't even start with the protecting our freedom crap. America has an agenda and use dumb people to pave the way to promote the agenda.
Anonymous9280, you must be joking. If there really is anyone at Apollo Group that has that belief, then your problems are much bigger than I thought. If there is a tape or emails showing this contempt for veterans, I'd lik eto get my hands on it.