I read all this stuff about ILEC and CLEC. I understand what they are. My question is, how much overlap is there in resources, workforce and operating procedures? Are they run as separate organizations?
Outside of corporate-type functions (accounting, HR, etc.), how much and what kind of people are doing both ILEC and CLEC work?
Thanks
“The ILEC/CLEC cooking of the books along with what's being done with Uniti is some Enron level BS, trying to make both companies look more profitable than they really are.“
The difference between Enron and Windstream/Uniti is that the Enron crew was really brilliant at doing what they did and fooled the smartest business minds in America for awhile.
Windstream and Uniti - not so much, as evidenced by their stock prices over the years. I’m not sure they fooled many people.
Maybe they did it to fool themselves? Or they were ashamed of their performance and did it thinking they could fool their employees, peers and board directors?
I’m just a puzzled ILEC customer, not a finance whiz, and it was obvious to me for years they were hosed. I’ve been worried about the local telco.
I remember those old comic books where Clark Kent would dash to the nearest glass phone booth and “secretly” change into his Superman clothes. The illustrators drew the glass as opaque. Even as a little boy, I thought this was lame - “that’s not how glass works”.
Windstream’s bizarre press releases reminded me of Clark’s changing room.
The ILEC/CLEC cooking of the books along with what's being done with Uniti is some Enron level BS, trying to make both companies look more profitable than they really are. The cash flow tells the truth story, especially when you net out the borrowing. The bankruptcy was inevitable whether or not Windstream lost the lawsuit, it just brought the crisis sooner rather than later, and shortened the time TT and his relatives and friends could siphon assets into their pocketbooks.
“CLEC is for the most part deregulated. They mostly work behind a customers demarc, on the CPE side of the service. So for example, ATT would provide the service to the demarc, and WS CLEC would take it from the ATT demarc and take it inside the customers business.”
So does Windstream have its own fiber (leased from Uniti) to these CLEC customers or are they all being served by other carriers? If it’s other carriers, is Windstream paying those carriers? Or is it the customer paying those carriers?
If Windstream/Uniti doesn’t possess the fiber to those locations, then what’s the value Windstream adds?
CLEC is for the most part deregulated. They mostly work behind a customers demarc, on the CPE side of the service. So for example, ATT would provide the service to the demarc, and WS CLEC would take it from the ATT demarc and take it inside the customers business.
ILEC is regulated by state public service commissions (PSC) and the FCC. They have to follow tariffs and regulations. ILEC provides the service to the cust demarc, and in most cases, past the demarc. Tariffs, as well Unions, prevent WS CLEC techs from working on anything in the ILEC market, unless they are there to assist an on-site ILEC tech. If the CLEC tech is the sole tech working on an issue in a WS ILEC territory, then they are breaking state PSC tariffs and union/company agreements. In other words, it's illegal for CLEC to come into ILEC areas within the same company.
This is also one reason, as mentioned in another post, WS keeps putting ILEC traffic on CLEC networks. They don't have to follow the tariffs and regulations as if they keep it all on ILEC equipment. I also strongly believe that this is also being done to "cook" the books and show Wholesale and Enterprise is growing, when in fact they are not. Most orders we are working in ILEC are coming in as Wholesale/Enterprise orders and being put on CLEC back-haul.
So that brings up another question,......if CLEC sales, or splits into it's own company after this is all said and done, will CLEC say that all these customers that are for all purposes ILEC customers, CLEC customers because of the back-haul to the broadsoft switch. WS is moving everyone they can from the ILEC owned metasolve switches to broadsoft as fast as they can.
Not all ILEC areas are union
ILEC = union
CLEC = Non-union
We don't touch anything in the other guy's network.