When managers do everything to get people enrolled, then call those targets names behind their backs. When the business blames its advertising firm for not being able to get more vulnerable prospects. When people get sick because they cannot take the grinding work of lying and ripping people off all day. A business is also doomed when people are fired for telling the truth, leaving only the criminally minded at the top, and the stupid and economically desperate in the middle and bottom. The student numbers were once 470,000. Now it's 85,000. The numbers are so terrible that UoPX won't publicly disclose them. The Koolaid has to be mixed so strongly now that the few who do know better nervously call it Jonestown U.
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'...all these visits by feds and accreditors are there to cover up the horrible misdoings of the UOP. That’s it!'
Or something.
“I know that University of Phoenix has been over-billing veterans since 2017. And I know they enroll lots of people who are not eligible to matriculate.”
Your making this up, Dahn. Oh wait - all these visits by feds and accreditors are there to cover up the horrible misdoings of the UOP. That’s it!
You know how else you van tell a business is failing? When it messes with its most loyal customers, like military veterans. Is it true that UoPX is overcharging people using the GI Bill, not including them in the Tuition Guarantee? If it is true and you know this is happening, you have an obligation to tell VA Office of Inspector General.
https://www.phoenix.edu/tuitionandfinancialoptions/tuitionand_fees.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6uumVkO3-Q
https://www.facebook.com/universityofphoenix/posts/introducing-our-new-tuition-guarantee-in-a-world-of-rising-tuition-were-lowering/10155750822611049/
As someone who never comments on here I have to say that was probably the best post I have ever seen and extremely accurate and represent the situation at every location. Sadly.
No one except C-level folks know the real situation. The rest of us are in the dark relying on circumstantial information. My local campus is not enrolling. It has about 30 students remaining in teach-out. It had over 2,000 students 8 years ago. There are but five or six full-time employees left from about 65, 10 years ago. Teach-out is scheduled for 2020. My guess is that there are still some online enrollments and military in proximity to a military installation. No one on this site has anything more to contribute to the dialogue; not even me! Nothing will change. It is the culture. The culture has not changed. It is more covert than ever. Distrust reigns and so does dysfunction. There is no respect for nor trust in leadership. I am surprised that anyone cares and is productive; if they are, it is in spite of leadership and the culture, not because of it. The folks I work with are hanging on for severance. Most that have options have exercised them and gone elsewhere. The critics and dissenters will be vindicated when Phoenix is sold or announces a complete teach-out. There is no conceivable way Phoenix can stay the course for more than 3-5 years given competition, reputation, and current leadership, systems and culture. Even a radical change in leadership and culture are unlikely to right this sinking ship. It is the SS Phoenix. It has hit the iceberg and is slowly but clearly and surely going to capsize.
This is just silly up in here.
@Just Saying, at least in the old days (and it wasn't that long ago), UoPX would at least try to pay people off and have them sign NDAs. Now they fire people they are afraid of and threaten them not to tell. The old-timers may have been extremely racist and mysogynist, but they were clever and in charge. Now, you can't even tell who's in charge. Who is in charge? Does someone from APO come over and tell the C-suite what to do?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f96p-IhcZhQ
Yes, I agree! You must report your findings to "Q" immediately. Time is of the essence. I suggest you use your tinfoil-antifoil neutron neutralizing cranial thought apparatus to ensure timely transmission.
@ZR2oIif-5eik, I know that University of Phoenix has been over-billing veterans since 2017. And I know they enroll lots of people who are not eligible to matriculate. Some of this information is publicly available, but ED doesn't want to touch it, even if it cost them $1 Billion in Title IV funds. I let VA know about GI Bill overcharging, but they don't care either. Lucky for Apollo Education that they bought Republicans (like Foxx, Boehner, McCain, Flake, McConnell, Hastert) and Democrats (Pelosi, Murray, Grijalva, Dodd, Obama's cronies) over the years and shifted as the political winds blew.
https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?id=D000021846&year=2019
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/expenditures.php?cycle=2018&cmte=C00309781
@ Just Saying, so people keep "juice cards" instead of talking to their supervisors or going directly to the feds. Yes, there are tiny networks of resisters, but not enough to change things.
It certainly appears that no one on the outside cares whether labor laws have been violated or there have been violations that should go to the HLC, ED, DOD, VA, or state agencies. Judges side with University of Phoenix regardless of the evidence. And ED and the FTC decide not to pursue litigation, even though the government has been ripped off of billion$. What's left looks like the Alamo, or maybe more appropriately Waco or Ruby Ridge.
Does that mean the charade will continue? No, it just means that UoPX will hobble along, throwing away people like trash when it's most convenient. Not a great legacy.
As in all businesses, market conditions rule the day, that's a given. Since this one is run by people that are secretive by nature, it's in their best interests to keep a lid on any information that could adversely affect their ability to "ride this horse till it drops." So conjecture is conjecture but any reasonable person would have to concede that things don't look good and desperate delusional default spin only prolongs the inevitable.
Unfortunately capital does not care about the fallout to real people's lives and that should be alarming to those looking for a biweekly paycheck or the hapless students exploited as a means to that end.
@ZR2oIif-4qkx, that's what happens when workers are kept in the dark or systematically lied to. They know they have been told lies before about the numbers, and even know how the numbers were manipulated.
The Koolaid tastes bitter for many.
Maybe enrollment was recently as high as 85,000. But you can't convince people if they have been lied to for years.
Just wondering: how long will UoPX keep all those ghost campuses? Will it just be a slow trickle? Will UoPX even bother to let ED know when they do close?
Those would be the insiders that apparently don’t know anything that’s widely available inside, and if they do don’t believe anything anyways?
And first you’re shocked 85000 is so low, now it’s too high?
You really have no credible info about this place.
@ZR2oIif-2ueb, I'm hearing from insiders (not at the top, of course) who believe that the 85,000 enrollment number is probably BS. People at UoPX don't even believe the numbers they are fed. Who knows the true numbers? Good question.
...and sniffing up the wrong tree.
Wrong again.
Dahn, this is becoming more childish each day. Supporting yourself under fake names is easy to sniff out. Please understand that your slander is no longer respected and that your aggressive claims (I.e. public servants cutting corners for merit raises) are the defenition of non data based claims which you so highly tout on your bias blog. No one believes you words anymore.
Colorado Springs on PEPS Monthly School Closing list. How many zombie campuses are still operating?
https://www2.ed.gov/offices/OSFAP/PEPS/docs/jun19sec1.pdf
You are Wrong!
Dahn bleeding under pseudonym
That's odd that some should say that last night they saw no postings that contained personal insults, only reasoned commentary that in essence made Dahn look silly. I on the other hand have for several years now seen hundreds if not thousands of posts on this site directed at him that were very personal in nature, presumably employed by those who have actively pursued and engaged him across multiple threads, leveling ad hominen slurs to belittled while relentlessly targeting him using crude s-xual innuendo and childish put downs. While often times using sophomoric excuses for self serving bullying behavior to justify plain over the top name calling.
To the point: last night I saw very few posts, if any, that contained anywhere near those that have been reportedly tempered to contain respectful, substantive or cogent argumentation or less than insulting, vitriolic, hurtful language that in retrospect is often referential to a disgruntled bar room lout's characterization of a woman's menstrual cycle. Just saying. Two different universes? No doubt,
Last night I saw at least 4 other posts that had no personal insults in this thread that made Dahn look very silly. Where are they?
All excellent questions. There appears to be no rhyme or reason. It’s almost as if the posts that are most well stated are removed while those that make dahn look like a victim or help his arguments remain. Since he is such a frequent user he appears to have a say on what stays or goes.
Lots of insulting, degrading s-xist texts directed at you know who and they're still standing. Or do you pick and choose those to back and those to 'Nuke" or are you on someone's payroll.
If you throw a personal insult, your post gets nuked. I wouldn’t respond to the personal insult either, because chances are if the insulting post gets deleted, the responses to it will be gone too.
Why do all the posts with clearly articulated arguments that call dahn out for his nonsense comments get deleted?
@ZR2oIif-mwi, good luck adapting to raised consumer awareness. And you are saying that UoPX is not publicly funded? What's Title IV, GI Bill, DOD TA, Yellow Ribbon, MyCAA, and various state funds? If it weren't for that and public servants using UoPX to cut corners to get merit pay, who would be matriculating?
That is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. UOPX is not publicly funded. Imagine what would happen if anyone cut anyone’s budget by 41%!? They would have to adapt. Guess what, UOPX has been vey use to that and is much better prepared for such measures than public or non-profit private institutions. You are a fool and make statements and claims that make you look like a court jester. You look more foolish with each statement.
Imagine what would happen if Trump and DeVos acted toward UoPX the way Governor Dunleavy acted toward the University of Alaska System?
https://www.thelayoff.com/uaa