Are there any employees left who are still giving it their best at Xerox? Or has the management managed to completely eradicate that and create and army of zombie workers who just go trough the motions until its time to go home?
I know I'm not even trying anymore, and I used to care...
Question... does anyone think we'll actually get one or both of these bonuses or are we thinking they're bogus & too good to be true? The way they are worded is you must be employed on the 6 month date & on the 12 month date & must also be employed on the date of payout which would be 30 days AFTER. So if we've only be guaranteed 6 months wouldn't we not get the first bonus if it's not paid out until basically 7 months?
Also did everyone get their bonus letter stating 6 & 12 months or did anyone else get something different? One employee here got one stating payout at 3 & 6 months & another got one stating payout at 6 & 9 months.
I don't care what happens to Xerox or the core I work for. I am being paid to do a job and I will do it for 8 hrs a day. I no longer give 110%. I no longer go above and beyond for customers. My days of constantly trying to make things better are over. I will stick around, collect my bonuses and leave when HCL no longer needs me. It's now like a long term temp position with good benefits. No more, no less.
What the heck!? Why is my comment about eating brats constantly being deleted!?
Stupid question, but what is "HCL"? I got let go in December and missed all that. BTW - lots of work out here for marketers. Don't be afraid to take the plunge.
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If your loyalty to your relationships at the big X was a two way street then perhaps your loyal friends would leave the company on their own because of the way the big X was treating you....of course assuming you are no longer employed by Xerox, and in which case you have nothing to comment about to begin with if you have not been terminated. Also don’t kid yourself about “rebadged”. You received a letter that said you have been terminated because you were. Get real.
For those standing in the sidelines watching- think of any historical events that do nothing but talk about how it happens to those that deserve it and how it could never possibly happen to you- I’m pretty sure history in general has a few stories to tell that don’t work out that way.
All I’m saying is to think twice about who and why you are dedicating your loyalty to and are they willing to do the same for you
Xerox people have been, and are, wonderful but Xerox died when Jeff J was ousted by Carl I. Treat THAT event like it deserves.
I do love me some tacos, though.
Reporting from a large core in the midwest, things are sad here. One team lost over 75% of their personnel and another lost over 80%. HCL does not possess enough brain power to get replacements for these people so the work is piling on everyone else and morale is plummeting. Meanwhile executive management expects us all to carry on and be happy like nothing is happening by giving us some tacos. Yes TACOs. Like that will make it all better. We all read the 50 page document that the HCL dimwits mistakenly published. We know we are all toast. So along with everyone else I am looking to get the heck out of here soon. But yes I am still trying because I have a good work ethic and still care despite being treated terribly by this company.
Those who are defending management for doing what needs to be done, need to do a little more research. Icahn does not have a reputation for leaving a business in a better position than when he came. He destroys businesses for his personal gain.
There are certainly some employees whose skills are rusty and whose work effort left something to be desired even before the regime change. But, even the best skills & work efforts will not save your job. You are just numbers on a spreadsheet. So there’s no reason to insult people & tell them they deserve to be fired.
Finally, there’s nothing wrong with having and maintaining a good work ethic. If nothing else it will help you to feel good about yourself & that definitely counts for something.
Before you say I’m a lazy worker with outdated skills, consider this. I was laid off in the fall, got a new job making more money & still remain friends with many of my former coworkers.
what we all need to realize is that xerox is making steam trains in an age of electric cars, our industry is in decline, what xerox has done wrong (many mistakes in its entire history) is never adapted to change very well, xerox should of gone through change over 10 years ago and now we are facing a knee jerk reaction from Jonny 5 and his puppet masters,dont blame the player , blame the game. It is downward spiral,It is a shame as xerox customers have historically loved us due to our exceptional service, however that service is now as 'bad' as the competition,so why pay a premium for xerox when you can get cheaper as bad service from say 'ricoh'?
@YYqrDht-1xrm I don't blame Xerox for my problems. I wasn't rebadged, however. Your attitude s---s though. It really does. Here's the thing - many of us are learning new skills and are relevant... at our current jobs. But, some old rich guy decided the billions he and his cronies were making wasn't enough, so they outsourced many of our jobs to India/Guatemala all to get the stock price up. How can that possibly sit well with you?!
"If you sit in a chair all day and talk on the phone and tickle a keyboard then of course, your job will be outsourced. And it should. It’s simply good business." - Please explain to me how this is good business? Our customers will now have to deal with some overseas person who barely speaks English, doesn't care about our customers and is thousands of miles away. I guess if by "good for business" you mean good for Carl Icahn's wallet, then maybe you're right. None of what's happening right now is good for business! It's good for the shareholders, period. And please enlighten me as to what you do that's so important that you won't be outsourced? Do you attend a lot of really important meetings with a lot of really important men? Do you use phrases like "market disruption" and a lot of acronyms? Are you entirely self-made with no help from anyone around you?
So sorry that our "lack of business acumen" offends you. I guess we can't all be as amazing as you.
1phs - let’s assume we reduce our pricing on production systems.. maybe TrIvor, Iredesse, or IGEN5. A client orders one or more and is paying $10k - $20k / month. When the client submits an inquiry for a billing problem or anything else, do you think it might be an issue when they receive an automated response that has a 14 day “response” yet not a resolution commitment? Don’t you think they will want to speak to someone live who has skills and business acumen? Will that cause our customers to suffer (in a business sense)?
We aren't saving lives, we aren't sending people to the moon. I don't know anyone at my work that actually has a hard job. It is just specific training, it's not difficult. Taking a year to become amazing isn't unusual.
It's absolute garbage that our customers will suffer because of these changes. Without customers, none of us have jobs. We will lose more and more customers unless the end product becomes cheap enough.
1xrm - Mr. Icahn is doing exactly what needs to be done? Please divulge what the octogenarian is doing exactly, as being subpoenaed by federal prosecutors over insider trading probably isn’t what you are referring to. Perhaps the Q1 performance of his holding company’s investment unit? No, that’s probably not it, either. Please advise and thanks in advance.
Are you F'ing kidding me? Do you have any idea of how hard my job is?
My job takes a good year to get a grasp and many years to fully be an expert.
I have perfected my job and years of learning have made me GREAT at it.
I have busted my a-- making Xerox rich and in turn get no respect!
I expected to retire from tjis job, I love the people I work with and as a whole we are a great company.
If Xerox was run by people like me instead of mo--ns who do nothing but pat each other on the back for screwing people over then none of us would be in this position
We are losing our jobs because Icahn and Johnny V couldn't do their job, hell anybody could fire people to make their payroll go down, cut off severence, cut off raises and take away 401k matches, they run this company worse than a bunch of high school drop outs would!
It’s very apparent that the majority of participants on this board want to blame Xerox for all of their problems.
It’s never been easier to learn new skills and stay relevant. If you sit in a chair all day and talk on the phone and tickle a keyboard then of course, your job will be outsourced. And it should. It’s simply good business. Everyone in this situation has had every opportunity to improve their skills to stay relevant in today’s ever evolving business world. However they choose not to. They choose to blame Xerox for all of their problems when in fact they are the problem themselves. Wake up and own your problems. It’s nobody’s fault but your own.
The blatant lack of basic business acumen is evident by many of those who post on this message board. Your messages only confirm that Mr. Icahn is doing exactly what needs to be done. For Xerox to succeed they must eliminate the ignorant and irrelevant. Well done Xerox senior leadership. Keep the focus on the business of great business.
wrr - You seem to have the intelligence of a single-celled amoeba. In your terrible example, “Bob” is not our current coworkers/peers/customers (who are also casualties of the same nonsense all of us are experiencing), “Bob” is Xerox, or more accurately, the new regime behind the Big X. The friendships/relationships that have been created over the years represent one of the very few reasons why pushing the eject button isn’t as much of a “no-brainer” as logic would lead most people to believe.
I’m reading the “loyalty to my peers and coworkers, etc” and do understand there will always be those that can’t get out of that frame of mind.
Maybe try looking at it this way;
Your neighbor, Bob has been your best friend and you’ve been that way for 30 years but yesterday you came home and found him in bed with your wife - do you still watch football with him and lend him your mower?
Probably not
The message is get rid of all of it and change everything. That means cut all the old ties. ALL of them. Even if it hurts a bit.
“Bob” needs to learn a lesson and you’ve got to teach him it.
I work my 8 hours, I do my job because I am paid to do my job and care about my coworkers who were not badged over (I was)
That said, I have no loyalty to Xerox any longer, I don't respect how they operate
I will stay until I find the right new job or until I can't bear it any longer, I am trusting my instincts and will know when it is my time to bid adieu
I hope I can last to collect my bonus because quite frankly I deserve it!
xyv.. .. agreed and thank you. Both are in place and ongoing but for the time being I will keep trying and will support those who are. They are not responsible for the current state of our business.
Please don't work late. Take that time and use it for your resume and search. Take care of you first.
net... well said, that is exactly my point #czk#nbm#alf
I am still working at the same pace as before, but my attitude towards this company (both my core and Xerox) has changed. I don’t care about the company. I don’t care about the executives. I don’t care about management. And I sure don’t care about the product. I care about my co-workers and that’s about it. I’m here to collect a paycheck and that’s it. And for now, I’m fine with that. When and if Xerox ever gives me a reason to care, ... oh who am I kidding...
uul.... Not enabling, just stating my position. The current state of affairs are not current and have been going on for 10 years and many more in some functions. It doesn’t mean that I like it or do no not recognize it. It is what it is and we won’t change it in this forum. This is a space to share individual perspectives because very little information is provided by the company. This allows us to know what is actually going on and put it all together. Personally, I trained my replacements in admin and will be training a new set soon. My options are to leave the company, or keep plugging. For now, I choose the latter because I care about those I’ve always directly supported (as I stated fellow sales and admin). When it’s time, I’ll pursue other options but for now I will still try my best.
-nbm you are being an enabler for the corporate raiders.
Sorry llw. Not management nor wanting a pat on the back. 20 year administrator who is not willing to let my direct customers .. “sales, fellow admin” down while I’m still being paid. Do what your conscience tells you, it will not affect me.
Everyone, give -czk a pat on the back!
-XRX mgmt.
Found myself working late last night and thought why the heck am I still trying? The answer was quick and simple. I wasn’t doing it for the investors or bottom line, it was for those that I support who have always supported me. Naive at best but I cannot let others down, especially those who are working their tails off.
Dead men walking at this core... At first Xerox Management seemed more empathetic, at this point I think they care as much as we do.
Still trying but it’s an uphill battle. One step forward and four back!
Sorry to hear that but your sentiment is completely understandable and expected under the circumstances. I got through by focusing on the things that brought me personal satisfaction (co-workers, tasks that I enjoyed, etc) while keeping my anger at the chaos and management in the background as best I could. Whenever I slipped back to thinking about the bad stuff, I'd use my anger as a motivator to do more of the things that benefited me. It kept me going until I left - which should be your end goal if you can...
I'm at a GIS Core and will continue to do the best possible job I can to take care of our customers everyday that I am here because they deserve it. That stated, I am actively interviewing and looking for a new job.