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The flaws of PSI/PSE

I was an Installed Sales Manager when the two programs began first the PSI then later PSE was added. There was never any real support for the program. Never any kind of national ad campaign or any advertising beyond in-store.

We hired all the wrong people at first we went for people with design degrees and backgrounds, but not our own in house kitchen designers. In our market Kitchen Designers (Cabinet Specialist in Lowe’s speak) where told not to apply either as being unqualified or needed in their current roles. Didn’t matter if the PSI couldn’t close a sale. Then later we started to look for “sales people” and ended up with slick used car salesman types who knew nothing about the product they were selling. The hourly pay rates where cut and made up for by commissions. Margins on PSI/PSE sales where often so low after price adjustments that no commissions where made.

PSI/PSE sales looked good on paper as nice big topline sales, but when closely examined the only one making any money on these project where the GC/Installer. Half or more of the price of these projects was for the labor all the “hits” like, price adjustments, compensation etc. came off the product. Even when a problem was created by an installer Lowe’s took the hit upfront and tried getting money back via an ineffective installer debit that took multiple managers sign off and the installer’s co-operation. Central Production Office trying to remotely manage these projects and XPO delivering them was, or will be, the nail in the coffin for these programs.

PSI/PSE needed store support and co-operation, but it never happened. Orders rarely got pulled by departments that resented the PSI/PSE and not pulled by PSI/PSE because it was not their job. Product not ordered correctly. Product lost or damaged at the stores. Customers given unrealistic expectations. Making multiple instead of a single delivery per job and paying XPO for every trip plus an additional “carry-in” charge. GC’s pushing out install dates at their whims. GCs insisting on using non Lowe’s product for jobs because we do not stock what they want and Lowe’s then paying them for it. PSI/PSE where generally more educated and professional than their red vest managers which didn’t help with the needed relationships that would have made the programs work.

This last one touches on a bigger problem with Lowe’s and retail in general. If you start your career pushing carts or running a register you do not or may never have the skills to run a multi-million dollar store. Promoting from within sounds good and we all love the feel good stories of the lot tech who after 15 years with Lowe’s is now running a store but look where that has gotten us as a company.

Reposted from @Wlt9PeO-wuur

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I was a very successful PSI for a top volume store for the 7 years the program ran in my market. Produced over 10 million in sales. I had a premium installer which was the successful key and partner. I worked more hours than any person in the store. Lowes let me run the process until it changed and CPO was brought on. With too many people in psi process , it started to fail. Support was lacking and incompetent from management and associates. The care was not there. If you had an associate that was a diamond in the rough, they eventually left. I had a wonderful coordinator early on which kicked a--, then a loser afterwards which did nothing to increase the business.

The install sales manager who wrote the opening comment to this thread, was spot on!

I am looking forward to moving onto future endeavors . The job was exhausting and I was tired of the sub -par Lowes life. Good luck all!

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Post ID: @9xek+WRA01Vq

I hope they they eliminate the Market Sales Mgrs. What a bunch of arrogant buffoons. Get that Region 6 MSM out also. He said, “ You don’t have to know the product, you just have to be a good salesman”(when we first started the PSE).That’s why we had a psycho, then a used car salesman as PSE’s at our store. They sold total cluster f*ck jobs that cost the store a lot of money.

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Post ID: @6efd+WRA01Vq

PSE and PSI are failed programs.. what is the PSE program, or better yet, why was it made.. To get the money before the customer changes their mind. Before it took 48 hours to schedule detail , 2 days to work detail and approx 2 days to work up estimate..3 to 5 days is what we shot for.. the pse program suppose to get the customers money before they can shop around and or spend their money elsewhere. Look at your PSE scheduke.. most of the pse cant estimate faster then 5 days.. so temhe program is failing.. no pse and we just go back to the old way and send out an installer..

Psi program failing because of lack of knowledge. Someone gets their lead for them.. they cordinate colors and whatever.. the psi suppose to team up with a salesman.. most salesman are bot knowledgeable enough to do specialial orders.. anyhow, salesman orders product and follows up on it.. production office gets it from there on out.. have mercy on them. They have nothing but a big mess to straighten out. In a jiffy: psi cordinates colors and make a huge commission.. i wonder why no one wants to push the leads.. more work for us while the psi gets ALL the bank..

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Post ID: @6ayk+WRA01Vq

The PSI program is not set up for success. Let’s be honest. No set goals. Loose management structure. Relying on stores for leads. Complicated installs prone to problems. Just look at the amount of customer complaints on installs. In any business you need to know what you are good at and what you not. Lowe’s or Home Depot is NOT a custom design showroom. Was never meant to be. PSI tries to make us that but fails. It’s like taking a long distance runner and making them a sprinter. Just because they are runners they are very different. We simply don’t have the infrastructure , systems or time honestly to handle large scale installs. The psi’s just wat to sell, in many cases prices are crazy because we are trying to get a margin on top of a margin , then the jobs have poor management and issues while the psi has moved on to sell a new job. Just a very bad model and one that can never work in out environment. Hell half the employees don’t even understand it.

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Post ID: @3yge+WRA01Vq

The program can work, just not how lowes is running it. A good PSI qualifies their customer, has a good relationship with the GC, ensures the project is sold correctly and clear expectations are set, and can engage the staff to garner support. Problem is a good PSI is hard to find. You also need a good install sales team. Personally, i dont think CPO knows whatbthey are doing. At most installed sales should be centralized by the market and work out of one of the stores. Their should be a manager that goes to each store in the market to inspect the install bays. This will still save money while also giving a personal touch with customers.

Problem is the company would rather centralize stuff than manage on a per store level. They deem too many positions unneeded. Heck, they took out phone operators. I was in a 65 mil a year store that got calls non stop and they take outbthe phone operator position? Thats i sane!

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Post ID: @2suo+WRA01Vq

Mr. 6 milion dollar man, why take it so personal? If you work hard, who cares what people say?? I have to say anyone in the PSE position for long periods of time must do their business well. Changes are imminent but who knows what??

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Post ID: @1dbl+WRA01Vq

I am a PSE and have been with Lowe's going into my 6th year. This is the only position I have ever held, and I was an external hire. To date, I have over 6 million in sales and I am running the highest margin and average ticket sale in my market. I have always worked hard and put in many hours a week to achieve this level of success. I have always worked with the store associates on lead generation as well as working with them on the overall program itself. My biggest obstacle is employee turnover. Every time I turn around there is new face. We have not gone CPO and the production office is overwhelmed with the amount of sales I produce. This program can work. With the housing market slowing with rising interest rates many people must remodel versus buying new homes. As a company, we must figure out how to best utilize these programs because we need the potential revenue from these programs if we want to compete in today's market.

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Post ID: @1ewi+WRA01Vq

Lowes needs to address the lazies in the stores. Our PSI and PSE are among the laziest people in the store. Our current PSI does nothing to generate her own sales, instead she depends on the leads of others. You know those leads we supposedly get paid $10.00 for? The previous PSI would walk the store and talk to people when she didn’t have an appointment.

Our PSE wants to move into management so he spends all his time s---ing up to the managers trying to get a management position. You should see him now that there’s 3 department supervisor positions available. Our current one is better than the one prior who frequently slept in his office because he had two additional jobs besides Lowes; delivering newspapers in the morning and night time custodian at a 24 hour gym.

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Post ID: @1upw+WRA01Vq

Promoting from within works when its the right people. My old store manager started as a loader and he is very smart. Of course, when he started it was a time when you could learn and grow in the company. Now, there is no extra time to learn and most of the experienced people are gone.

The PSI/PSE should be taken from within the sales specialist pool. They need to know sales and product. They also need to be able to work with others and have some kind of leadership skills so they can get the sales floor to help them. But low wages means less quality in your work force. People who can get a better job leave and those that cant stay.

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Post ID: @1giv+WRA01Vq

It is a doomed system. Who are our GC’s?

Answer Bottom feeders, people who can’t get work on there own, ( only these people will dance to Lowes tune, reguirments and liability’s. ) sad song : we get what we pay for and of course you want to mark costs up 30 percent. Oh my and we still loose money what a joke

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Post ID: @1dlq+WRA01Vq

My store is Top 20 volume in gross sales for the company.

We have had trouble keeping the PSI position filled, PSE has been less problematic.

Definite problems with cost and time over runs, delivery SNAFUs, quality and timing of labor...

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Post ID: @tzg+WRA01Vq

I couldn't agree more about support for the programs. I have heard it said that Lowe's could not handle the business if they adverised. Its a combined 2 Billion top line. They need more but I disagree about profitability. If a PSE can not get 25 percent, they are the wrong person for the job. PSI is different. Promos control their business. As far as CPO and XPO, those have to be fixed NOW!

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