Thread regarding State Farm Insurance layoffs

Some of those culprits remain in place. And one specifically was there all along and has owned Systems Finance and Workforce. That person should not sleep well at night given their large part in this.

To the last post:

Part of me thinks that Tipsord and company are indeed diabolical enough to release those vague role decisions a month early precisely so people in key roles will jump ship, so they have fewer to deal with when it comes time to re-org them (via QTDs, etc.)

But another part of me sees the debacle that was CDE and the slapdash way this entire operation is proceeding, and that part truly wonders if the executives are smart enough to even anticipate the inevitable employee response, or even if they care. This part of me thinks Tipsord is simply aiming for a bottom line on a balance sheet and doesn't particularly care how he gets there and isn't smart enough (or doesn't care enough) to fret with such details.

So are they evil masterminds or clueless keystone cops?

They are probably somewhere in the middle with just enough tendencies of each to find new and unique ways to destroy the company.

Is the uncertainty and stress creation intentional to push people to give in and leave before severance or early to save on pensions? Vague like a fox.

I think its frustrating that leaderships lobs vague information out there, and then says we will share in 2 months. They have no clue the amount anxiety, strife, and turmoil that this is causing their employees, let alone the loss of productivity while we wait for the next nibble...

So long "Like a good neighbor"... Welcome "Like a good miser"

I think the last comment is spot on.

The only thing I will add is that the humorous posts (even when they weren't really funny to me), never bothered me. What bothered me were the oft-unwarranted, unprovoked cheap shots certain posters were taking at others, often based upon incomplete or incorrect information. For example, the numerous, gleeful assertions that certain posters here deserved to be terminated.

But I understand that it's not productive to get into it. It's best just to navigate around those posts like they're potholes and move on.

I think people really are at so many different stages. Anxiety of who is next, is it me, anger becausefriends and family already are severed or being severed, grief and hopefully acceptance and a nee future. And each person deals with each stage differently. Some folks have no other understanding outlet for thoughts abd feelings. I think we just need to let people be people here. Some use a sense of humor and some just need to vent. Lets just let thrn do that and move on. And ask people to post the facts they have to help others understand what is happening.

Fowad knows if you’ve been texting....

He know if you’ve been late.

He knows that you only lipped Xmas carols at the atrium celebration five years ago...

So get your resume ready for your own sake!

I’m Mike Tipsword and I approve of this message!

What I want to know is what stage of the grieving process might cause someone to post ignorant things to others on an anonymous message board? I'd say it's ANGER, which is the second stage.

By the way, this thread is not a manifestation of Bargaining (or Negotiation, as you called it). Not at all. A call for civility is not bargaining.

And even if it were, you might want to work on your own grieving process so that you are at least as far along as the people you're criticizing.

There are ways to win at work. For starters, some of the people reading this thread may be in a position to save their jobs (if their situation is similar to the OP) if they can develop a focused plan to improve specifically upon the areas they're being told to improve upon. Termination may not be preordained for everyone.

Secondly, developing a sense of solidarity with others in a similar predicament can provide emotional support that may help people get through difficult times, which may even include reaching out to people who have already been terminated and who found success on the other side of it, at another company.

Thirdly, as others have mentioned it is not unwise to save copies of every salient detail you've received in email or on paper that can validate your position should it come down to being a legal matter. Often a legal battle is not worth it, but sometimes it is. These are personal decisions.

Best of luck.

Thank you! Been so over the funny guys on this forum. I appreciate your sound logic and concern. Thank you again!

1. Those “tough decisions” are being made FOR you, please review the final step titled Acceptance.

2. Better save your energy and focus it on something you can win. Try Monster or Indeed. You won’t win at work, especially if you’re at work busy losing to me here.

3. Thou are Moste Welcome.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

So funny guy...What should we do? Its the world we live in. You can choose to be a a-- to people on here that are dealing with some tough decisions or you can be supportive and help to provide some good advice or if nothing else a ear to listen...

Ahh! The soothing balm of negotiation. Please remind me, is that step 3 or step 4.

And now for a little ManSpaining Fantasy of my Own, Tattoo:

In the end you will accept.

OH no boss!

Yes, Tattoo. With the finest Corinthian Leather...

Couldn’t agree more with both the post and the comment!

Amen!! Both of you

While I agree with your sentiment and too hope that we can lay down our arms, part of the problem is that we've all been dealing with the terrible decisions made by leadership during CDE, which took good people and placed them into roles that proved to be a hindrance to the organization and, in some cases, to our own sanity.

This was our leadership shooting the company in the foot.

Unfortunately, after those bad decisions were made, real people were suddenly tasked with finding some way to work with the newly allocated roles, and animosities developed. Those animosities have been a real thing for many years now. And now that those bad decisions have led us to the largest employee layoff in SF history, those fires have been stoked anew.

Now, I do think there are some brand new animosities that have developed strictly as the result of people lashing out because they are afraid for their jobs, but in my mind, the more common ones come from having lived the unfortunate realities of CDE for the past 7 years.

To your point, I hope people will keep in mind that our leadership got us into this mess. The people working in ISD (to use your example) didn't, in most cases, ask to be part of it, and it's not their fault those with a strictly "business partner" background were not given appropriate Systems training as part of their transitions or in many cases even made aware of what their projects needed from them.

The real culprits in all of this are the members of leadership that pushed us into CDE and in the process drove expense ratios through the roof while cutting productivity down to almost nothing. How some of those people still have jobs is beyond me.