Thread regarding University of Phoenix layoffs

University of Phoenix degree is far from worthless

Whomever asserted the degree is worthless is just spewing sour grapes. That is pure nonsense. I have taught here for 30 years and been in admin for 25. All of my degrees (7) are from either traditional or hybrid schools. I have taught at both for-profit adult institutions and non-profit universities. While UOP is not comparable to most state or private institutions (except maybe Mississippi) it offers education to those who are willing and committed to learn. Even Harvard had grade inflation issues (no I am comparing UOP to Harvard). I know the curriculum and syllabus I use to teach most courses here are comparable to syllabi at many other institutions and we use most of the same text books. The issue always has been breadth and depth. We skim the surface, offer topic surveys, and don't require in-depth, comprehensive treatments of a subject except in SAS. But students do learn and it is education, even if it is on the "lite" end of the spectrum. My students over the years have learned. My grading is rigorous. I am demanding. My classrooms are filled with dialogue and often vigorous discussions and debates. I give my own final exams that cannot be copied from the internet. I change many assignments to give them more substance and challenge. My students learn how to research, write, study, test, and think critically at a university level. Employers recognize the value of earning an accredited degree as an adult learner with a complex life and multiple responsibilities. Even the fact that an adult student returns to school and attempts to be educated while being an employee, parent, or spouse commends them to employers and says volumes about commitment, diligence, and perseverance. So, don't tell me a UOP degree is worthless. If one cannot find a job with a UOP degree, it is far more a function of individual personality, experience, attitude, and determination, not a UOP degree. Could we improve our academics? Absolutely! Should we? Absolutely? Unfortunately that opportunity has now passed. The remaining executives and deans are incapable of innovation, are risk-averse, and operate in a fractured culture where fear reigns. It should have happened 10 years ago. Now it is too late. The reputation cannot be repaired. The competition is overwhelming. Leadership has no courage or imagination, and most of the muscle has been cut, eliminating the remaining vestiges of sinew that might have turned this place around. It is all over, except for the crying. Anyone who is not looking for a new job doesn't need one or is simply too scared or weak, or maybe waiting for that miracle that will never come.

Reposted from @PguRoi5-1bgt, agree with everything stated wholeheartedly.

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It does not matter the level of rigor if the brand is deemed worthless. Perhaps that is the biggest "crime" of UoP--the damage done to the brand. The name has been damage beyond repair by so-called leadership’s hubris and greed. That is an issue UoP cannot overcome—how the loss of value has affected the students who actually put in the time and effort.

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Post ID: @2rrt+Phm7usF

So, a UoP degree is not worthless because you have seven degrees? Yeah, ok. That wouldn't flunk you out of a basic course in logic. And furthermore, you'd think that 7 degrees, you might know the difference between a subject pronoun and an object pronoun (e.g whomever asserted).

The UoP is populated by students who can't do college work, at least at the undergraduate level. Get over yourself.

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Post ID: @2pxh+Phm7usF

Around here the University of Phoenix degree IS worthless. Many are paying back college size loans for a degree that everyone knows is bunch of non college prep HIGH SCHOOL level courses strung together. I will say that your recruiting department gave some nontraditional students hope for awhile. A little boost but then after drowning in debt, they came back to the job market NO better prepared. Not for the price anyway.

You negatively impacted several people lives that I know personally. Worst is that you financially took away their ability to get a valuable degree. One with worth.

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Post ID: @1xab+Phm7usF

TLDR

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Post ID: @ghg+Phm7usF

The conclusion is the same, no hope for a turn around

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