Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Chambers learned from Neutron Jack. Why did you not learn? You decided to make your stand at a company that has been jettisoning people regardless of contribution for 16 years and you seem surprised at what everyone should consider obvious. To paraphrase the boss from "Dinosaurs," if you expect it it's not a bonus so you're not going to get one.

I have 40 years and Cisco LR me and a lot of other around the same amount of services and age. Yes they LR just enough younger people to cover the age discrimination faction, so my lawyer told me. He say take the package and find another job as Cisco had just cover there self. Even the SVP say on 9/7/17 that Cisco was hiring young people just out of collage. Oh nothing about Vet's or anyone over 25 years of age. Cisco is not a family as management talk about all the time but a cold hearted business.

Of maybe the last ten people I know that got LR'ed, maybe one had had an historical performance issue - and he got a promotion into Huawei (director) and is still there. The others were solid performers and the last two, from this year, were rock stars. It's certainly no longer about performance.

I agree with OP. Many years back, maybe it was truly performance.

Now, people who have/had joined Cisco, dont want to leave it, because they are not getting jobs anywhere else in Bayarea. So in order to clear those deadwoods, cisco HR allowed this LR formula. But some managers are taking advantage of this and kicking out engineers who are good performers as well. Cisco is not the company it used to be. The current crop of Dir and above, are unethical.

What is "utter rubbish"? The original post or the previous post?

It doesn't matter how an "reduction in force" or LR is determined - e.g. by pseudo-objective and pseudo-scientific evaluations in spread sheets and charts - the process is highly prone to discrimination and prejudice.

Take a read of this https://hbr.org/2009/03/the-layoff-2

There's no conspiracy theory, it is unfortunately "normal" US business practice. It is not fair and the negative impact on the individual is major.

Utter rubbish.

This is not a performance review, the RIF is not based on performance, they tell upper management that - if it was than people could contest the issues. Director and above are TOLD - do not take into performance - do the math - years of service - age - salary.

I have to agree. I think this is conspiracy theory. Do I think there is some age discrimination going on? Sure. Do I think there is an evil spreadsheet circulating? No. That would be bad beyond bad for Cisco and allowing such a practice would be suicidal. Even for a dim bulb like Fran.

As for the OP, he has been posting this same "Cisco ruined my family" babble here for quite a while. I recognize his ramblings. To the OP - I feel for ya, Bro. You got caught by surprise, had some stress and turmoil in your life for a while and it was hard. You made it through now. Get over it and maybe consider investing in some therapy. Seriously.

Do they really do that? I think you are believing the stuff you read on this site. I suspect skillset of the employee and company direction features rather than just filtering an excel on age / cost / grade. There is also SPOC to consider.