Thread regarding Cisco Systems Inc. layoffs

Layoffs deciding process

A past manager's experience: the process is incompetent by design (and if you think about it, perhaps by necessity.) The decisions are made at VP or Director level, depending who holds the budget, and there is a requirement for minimum information going to lower levels of management, who may therefore have no knowledge or influence when the decision is made. They just get to implement it. It gets worse if managers and people below them are being LR'ed since detailed management information about staff capability and what they are doing is entirely missing from the decision.

LRs are defined by headcount, but Finance can be persuaded to interpret purely by budget equivalent. Senior, and older staff on higher pay are more likely to be on the list if the the manager is using a budget target (as long as the staff are below the budget-holder decision level and not one of their network).

Posted originally by @OtINtMr-5pgc.

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It's nonsense. The process certainly isn't fair to grade 12s that have been there for 10+ years, but let's admit it, it was an easy job pulling 200k.

If the process was fair most of the grade 12s and all of the grade 13+ I worked with would have been fired a long time ago.

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Post ID: @8wyn+Ozi3EtQ

Have managers been asked to submit names to HR to LR?

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Post ID: @1tpm+Ozi3EtQ

It's nonsense. The process certainly isn't fair to grade 12s that have been there for 10+ years, but let's admit it, it was an easy job pulling 200k. Eventually reality hits. Cisco market and product strategy is flawed, but senior people collectively agreed to agree and commit. Blaming just the leadership is shallow.

If you ever get asked to add your activities to smarts Hemet the team is putting together.... That's a sign you job is on the line and evaluated by HR and your VP. Take the exercise seriously.

But sadly - the company is evolving too slowly and it is 2 years away from becoming Sun.

I spent over 15 years there and wish you all the best. But the bulk of the business model has become selling at a premium in a commodity market. Routers and switches are the new servers. It's over. China will win.

I love Cisco. I was able to save enough to live the rest of my life on it (not in luxury) but it saddens me to see its predictable decline: unable to wean itself of the box sale, only paying lip service to the emerging software and services model.

Evidenced by the fact services and software people just got laid off. Nuff said.

Best of luck, I will never visit this board again.

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Post ID: @1etc+Ozi3EtQ

Nah, the way I do it is this:

1/ print directory photo's of all the potential victims (3"x3" is about right).

2/ tape pictures to a pin-board on my garage wall

3/ apply blindfold

4/ throw darts at the wall

5/ the bell tolls for whomever the darts hit

6/ repeat until enough victims selected to meet desired business outcome

Works for me every time. The only problem is that the pool of potential victims gets smaller every time.

I don't come to work to make friends.

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Post ID: @qko+Ozi3EtQ

" Deciding Process " ?! Do you mean: DECISION PROCESS ?

LEARN OF TO SPEAK AND SPELL, TROGLODYTE !!!!!

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Post ID: @rdx+Ozi3EtQ

I ain't buying this sh-- explanation

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Post ID: @ggd+Ozi3EtQ

Absolutely spot on. Those that keep blaming their direct managers just don't understand how little input their direct managers have.

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