Why not have a 9 hour work day M-F and have a 4 hour day every Friday? That way, everyone will come to work every day of the week and still have free time on Friday to take care of personal business. Ultimately, it is up to the managers and supervisors to ensure that employees are making a good faith effort to adhere to the work schedule. They are probably just as guilty as everyone else who skimming some free time and getting paid for it.
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It is not the schedule, but the abuse of the schedule. By abuse, I am referring to salaried employees who routinely leave 30 minutes early each day, or even more on the Friday they work. Too many manager or supervisor people are not paying attention to their immediate staff. They are probably going to so many meetings that there is no time or desire to make sure their staff are, at least, making an effort to work the number of hours they are getting paid for. Also, since it is only 'company' money and theirs, there is no personal stake in this. All of the employees who do actually work 80 or more hours on a consistent basis are being punished by those who do not come close. There will always be those who feel like they are either entitled or have earned the right to skip out of a few hours every pay period. Just attending all of the mandatory meetings is an interruption to actual work duties. There is no correct answer to the work schedule.
I recall about 25 years ago when the alternative work schedules were originally "voted" on. All of the schedules were offered up. The 4/10 days were just too long when including the 2 hours of commuting. The 4 1/2 per week schedule did not offer much benefit when 2 hours commuting was included. The 9/80 schedule was clearly a favorite back then, and I believe is still a favorite work schedule.
"It's all about personal ethics"... yes I agree. It is clear however that given flexibility in work hours and location you would abuse it whereas others I would respond by giving even more bottom line value... as measured by total hours worked or real results generated, your choice. The standard office model, sit at your desk 8-10 hour of continuous contact under the direct thumb of your supervisor, is not the most efficient... we all know that to be the case. If you expect the worst behavior from your employees that is what you will get, that is well understood. What do you get if you expect the best from your employees?
dxoa, I totally get your point, person, like me, without a life posting here on Saturday night. However, I see nothing in your post which indicated why this abuse is exclusive of the 9/80. The 4 tens, the 4 and a half, and the 5 eights are all equally abused by the same liberal faction of society.
Many people in my experience abuse 9/80. Many assumed it was EFO (every Friday off). In my case. And many others, it was an opportunity to spend time at home while working 24/7. A few hours at home with the wife on a Friday before spending the weekend firefighting and fixing sh-- in the field. For many it's a legit deal. For others an entitlement. It's all about personal ethics.
@byge, yes, childish point indeed, but point well taken. Many on this site are legends in their own minds. No dear, you do not do all of the real work, but please do keep showing up, drinking the koolaid and thinking that. We need you to. The rest of our paychecks depend on it. (sips beer)
"Never seen this of childishness posted on this site" Maybe not, but I have witnessed the lack of literacy illustrated by the last two posters; ctbr, cjs575c, quite often, unfortunately for Chevron. I hope that these were some of the incompetents who were canned, for Chevron's sake.
"Never seen this of childishness posted on this site"... clearly you do not visit often then;-) !
Neat trick @byge. Never seen this of childishness posted on this site.
My managers know that I actually do the real work around here. They know that I and the others in the work group save their a$$ each and every day. Cut me out of a job and they know they will soon follow.
-9osa: My managers know full well that I spend much more than 40 hours a week working, both in and out of the office, at many different times of the day and night as required for international operations. As for you picking your nose, you would rather have too given your need to stick it in places where it is not needed.
To 9eke, tell your comment to your manager. See how well that goes over. Also, how did you know I pick my nose?
"It is not about being more productive, it is about not cheating the company out of time that employees are being paid for"... no, it is not about parking you laid a-- in a chair and picking your noise for the required number of hours, it is about adding real value to the bottom line.
"worrying that someone else is getting something undeserved" is the mark of a Trump voter.
Why commute into the office if u r only going to be there for 4 hours? That's part of the beauty of the 9/80. It reduces commuting time. You also have the freedom to work from home on your Friday off if you so wish. It's all about making the most of time with today's busy, hectic lives.
It's so noticeable reading the same rants and stupidities coming from the usual suspects (you know who you are). Jesus H. Christ, can't you contribute anything useful?
Right on @6osz.
6ewc , I like Dat!!! YOU'RE FIRED !!!! Fire the no-good bas-tids. Let the ones who show up everyday to work and work the entire day because they need a paycheck and know money isn't free stay and let the liars, cheaters and thieves leave!!
6dcs, It's an easy fix, Fire both the ones who shave company time off the clock for themselves and the ones who are responsible for watching over the workers. A breakdown in hierarchy is a breakdown of the company.
To 5ok1, it is not about being more productive, it is about not cheating the company out of time that employees are being paid for. 99% of the rest of the corporate world is on a M-F, 8-5 time schedule. There are plenty of honest people, but plenty more that shave 30 minutes here, an hour there. No one is really paying attention.
There is a 9/80 Schedule available M-F with 4 hrs scheduled for each Friday. It is referred to as the "Summer Schedule". Your Time Administrator can find it for you. It does exist.
"huge advantage 5/40 offers"...this "we all must work the same hours or no work will be done" philosophy is totally misguided for most endeavors. Either you have highly motivated people or you don't ... watching them sit in a chair will not increase productivity. Several of my friends laid off have recently found work in their field again, so I think we are finally off the bottom. As the ramp goes back up expect the best and brightest who where hunkered during the storm under some a**hole manager to be the first ones to find new positions.
Many Engineering consulting firms work either the 9/80 , the 4 and a half, and many offer the schedule of your choice, including 5-8's depending on your needs, responsibilities, family schedule, etc. They also pay hourly, we get bonuses and it's common to make 10 to 20% more in a year on hours alone. You little young whipper-snappers need to get out in the real world and smell the roses. It's 2017. The old practice of staying with the same company for ever has come and gone many years ago. More employers respect a person who has moved to advance their career and seized opportunities now than in the past. Things have changed a lot over the years, and I have been around a while. Take my word, or learn for yourselves.
4avg - You mean to say "Chevron can't afford it"... (while carrying many of the useless staff it still has on the payroll). My point being that Chevron laid off so many good and well-paid productive employees and kept many of the lazy non producers because they were younger and good brown-nozers. Don't blame the work schedule.
As someone who luxuriated in the 9/80 the first 15 years of my career, I can tell you I loved it and felt it was a fabulous new age perk even on the majority of Friday's when I was too busy to take it off. I drank the Koolaid and spread the gospel.
However, having now worked quite a few years in a location without this schedule, I can see clearly the huge advantage 5/40 offers for an integrated work group that is moving fast and solving problems on a daily basis. A 9/80 would kill our productivity, slash it by more than 20%. Chevron can't afford it!
@4gps - "Yes" is the answer to your question. For me, if Chevron eliminates the 9/80 work schedule, I'll leave the company as soon as I find another job that pays me equal or better compensation. If a 5-day work week is all there is at Chevron and elsewhere, I'd rather switch to having a career elsewhere. The pay and benefits I get at Chevron are great, but the 9/80 work schedule is one main reason I'd stay here.
The 9/80 work schedule is great, but there is massive abuse of this schedule. There is no way you can tell me that a full 50% of the workforce shows up every Friday and actually works a full day to 4 or 5 pm. Almost the entire rest of companies have a standard 8-5 M-F work schedule. Everyone shows up every day for the same time schedule. Exceptions are easily made for people who commute by bus. You are all on a guaranteed salary pay. You notify your supervisor/manager for time off for personal business. Family matters, doctor appointments, car problems, etc. The 9/80 might have been a good recruiting tool a long time ago. Too many Chevron employees have become spoiled. Would you really want to actively look for work elsewhere and quit if the work schedule changed to 5/40, 10/80?
It is quite obvious we need to enlist the efforts of BCG to solve this dilemma.
-2rbu, ooooh we all feel so bad for you cupcake!!!!!! Good luck in the real world. You'll need it. Imagine actually having to get up every day and work for a living, dear !!!! My the humanity!!
Please keep ideas of this caliber to yourself. Half-day Fridays is a terrrible idea.
Shame
Because stupid, arrogant Chevron team leads don't get that some things such as doctors offices are not open on Fridays for appointments, but they demand you do everything on your Friday off to bully you and give you a 2-.
Did you ask your direct report, he or she might be happy to let you do the 4 + 4 you desire. Personally it would not work that well, but to each his oun whenever possible I say.
The OP gave himself enough time to take his stinky dump on company time then go home.
Must be nice to be a parasitic parasitic leech on your coworkers while they carry your share of the workload.
Four hour day on Friday? That how much time I spend in the toilet. I just as well stay home. As for the turd of a guy who schedules a meeting every Friday at 4:00, he can kiss my backside. I wouldn't show up.
Have you considered that your ideal work schedule isn't a great fit for everyone else?
Doesn't give enough time for all the meetings Chevron requires to carry out basic and common tasks. There is one guy in my department that schedules a meeting every Friday at 4:00 where the same stuff is discussed over and over.